Revisiting the Jimmy Butler vs Pat Riley debate

[JustBuzzin]

I remember people being on the side of Pat Riley. The Heat have struggled since trading Jimmy B. Meanwhile the Warriors have got better since adding Jimmy B. People now view the Warriors as a legit title contender.

ESPN was discussing should Pat Riley retire and move Spoelstra to the GM role.

Is it time for Pat Riley to retire?

[Big J]

Jimmy was absolutely right to do what he did. Miami should have know better

[kingr]

I've always thought both sides were right to want the things they did.

The only people on here who thought Jimmy couldn't help the warriors, were the people who spoke from emotion and how they felt about Jimmy's actions.

[Heat3]

Butler was the number 1 guy on the Heat and the Heat were play in teams the last two years. Might be a play in team again this year without him.

On the Warriors he is the number 2 guy playing next to one of the greatest players of all time. They are trying to maximize the last years of Curry while with the Heat already reached its ceiling with Butler.

The situations aren’t the same. Maybe the warriors will be happy paying him max money in 2 years. He certainly wasn’t worth that in Miami.

[JustBuzzin]

Butler was the number 1 guy on the Heat and the Heat were play in teams the last two years. Might be a play in team again this year without him.

On the Warriors he is the number 2 guy playing next to one of the greatest players of all time. They are trying to maximize the last years of Curry while with the Heat already reached its ceiling with Butler.

The situations aren’t the same. Maybe the warriors will be happy paying him max money in 2 years. He certainly wasn’t worth that in Miami.

The record says he was a difference maker. The Heat have won like 4 games since he was traded lol

[Sedale Threatt]

Butler is insufferable in his own right -- his track record pretty much speaks for itself at this point -- but I do remember reading about Riley going in on him at his postseason press conference or somewhere and thinking that was definitely the kind of stuff you should keep in-house. Riley's an authoritarian, and his track record also speaks for itself at this point, but that also has its own drawbacks. Given his own gigantic ego, he's undoubtedly been sniffing his own farts a little too deeply over "Heat Culture." Yeah, that culture looks a little bit different without talent doesn't it?

[C3H6N6O6]

I bet it is miserable to be around either of them when you don't agree with them.

Riley should have traded him instead of bashing him in public. Riley wanted to show the world how old school he was and it led to Butler lowering his value on purpose which meant Heat didn't get much for him.

Does Riley really think that players are scared of him?

[djsunyc]

I remember people being on the side of Pat Riley. The Heat have struggled since trading Jimmy B. Meanwhile the Warriors have got better since adding Jimmy B. People now view the Warriors as a legit title contender.

ESPN was discussing should Pat Riley retire and move Spoelstra to the GM role.

Is it time for Pat Riley to retire?

what if butler gets hurt and misses 60 games next year?

extension was part of it. it's an L right now but there's more futures that could change it.

[JustBuzzin]

I bet it is miserable to be around either of them when you don't agree with them.

Riley should have traded him instead of bashing him in public. Riley wanted to show the world how old school he was and it led to Butler lowering his value on purpose which meant Heat didn't get much for him.

Does Riley really think that players are scared of him?

Riley wanted to flex his power and it ended up backfiring. You can't make that public it should have been handled behind the scenes. It might be time for the old man to retire.

[druggas]

Not every decision is popular.

[Heat3]

Butler was the number 1 guy on the Heat and the Heat were play in teams the last two years. Might be a play in team again this year without him.

On the Warriors he is the number 2 guy playing next to one of the greatest players of all time. They are trying to maximize the last years of Curry while with the Heat already reached its ceiling with Butler.

The situations aren’t the same. Maybe the warriors will be happy paying him max money in 2 years. He certainly wasn’t worth that in Miami.

The record says he was a difference maker. The Heat have won like 4 games since he was traded lol

Wiggins has missed 8 games. Jovic has been hurt and missed the past 13 games. There are other factors than just one player.

[meekrab]

Riley's probably gotten heavy metal poisoning from wearing all those rings all the time.

[jc23]

it was the right move. star players hold all the cards these days so your going to get burned when they hold you hostage. had miami paid Jimmy he would have gotten his money then forced his way out at a later time.

[Blacksheep25]

Both are kind of clownish. Riley as the 80 year old let me put my rings on the table ego when he coached in LA,NY, and Miami has always been a joke to me. Yeah you’re going to occasionally get really lucky if you run franchises in the top 3 desirable locations.

Butler always wears out his welcome. The shine has been off the Heat for a good long while now. They have an excellent coach. He likely should handover the reigns.

[AbeVigodaLive]

There's a trend with Jimmy Butler. He's in the honeymoon period right now.

But we can learn from history. His past NBA stops tell us that he will eventually enter the next phase when he will become a disruption, distraction and play only when he wants to play.




[Note: Does he make Miami worse... and GSW better... right now? Of course! But since this is about Jimmy Butler and money (yet again) we'll have to wait and see whether Miami made the best move for its future.]

[dhsilv2]

At 80 yeah...he likely should retire. But this has nothing to do with it. He 100% did the right thing here. It's not remotely debatable.

[Ice Man]

Both sides were right. Jimmy was correct in that he's worth the money to the right team, and Pat was correct that the Heat under current conditions is not that team.

[Wingy]

There's a trend with Jimmy Butler. He's in the honeymoon period right now.

But we can learn from history. His past NBA stops tell us that he will eventually enter the next phase when he will become a disruption, distraction and play only when he wants to play.

People dislike his methods, but he has been right about every single stop along the way.

The only exception I’d say is this Miami one wherein others have stated it already. Basically both sides did the right thing for themselves.

[JustBuzzin]

There's a trend with Jimmy Butler. He's in the honeymoon period right now.

But we can learn from history. His past NBA stops tell us that he will eventually enter the next phase when he will become a disruption, distraction and play only when he wants to play.

People dislike his methods, but he has been right about every single stop along the way.

The only exception I’d say is this Miami one wherein others have stated it already. Basically both sides did the right thing for themselves.

Miami hasn't won a championship since LeBron left.

What was he right about?

[Sixers in 4]

There's a trend with Jimmy Butler. He's in the honeymoon period right now.

But we can learn from history. His past NBA stops tell us that he will eventually enter the next phase when he will become a disruption, distraction and play only when he wants to play.

People dislike his methods, but he has been right about every single stop along the way.

The only exception I’d say is this Miami one wherein others have stated it already. Basically both sides did the right thing for themselves.

Miami hasn't won a championship since LeBron left.

What was he right about?

Jimmy Butler has never won anything.

Riley has 9. Including one as a player. Jimmy Butler is like a snickers you get that sugar high then there is a massive crash.