Trae Young Setting Records

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That’s a wild stat. He’s gotta be on track to break the all time turnovers record, right? Think he’s averaging near 5 a game this season.

[Ball4life32]

High usage player who leads the league in assists turns the ball over. No suprise…also #1 in almost every passing stat.

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High usage player who leads the league in assists turns the ball over. No suprise…also #1 in almost every passing stat.

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The interesting thing there is the consecutive games, not that he gets turnovers. Actually surprising that he hasn't had a zero turnover game for that long of a span.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

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Over the years, there have been a lot of high usage players who led the league in assists, yet he was the one able to break the record(previously held by Westbrook.)

That’s just a ton of games in a row without having a single 0 turnover game.

[Ball4life32]

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Over the years, there have been a lot of high usage players who led the league in assists, yet he was the one able to break the record(previously held by Westbrook.)

That’s just a ton of games in a row without having a single 0 turnover game.

True but he did have a ridiculous steak of 5+ apg earlier in the year not to mention 10+ apg player with zero turnover in a game is pretty rare but yeah thought he would of at least had a couple games at least with no to’s.

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That’s a wild stat. He’s gotta be on track to break the all time turnovers record, right? Think he’s averaging near 5 a game this season.

11.6 apg against 4.7 tpg, yeah. League-high 46.4% AST, 18.2% TOV. That turnover rate is pretty part for the course for a volume assist producer. Magic's career TOV% was 19.4%. Stockton's was 20.8%.

So Trae isn't in any sort of unusual company at all in this regard.

[CobraCommander]

High usage player who leads the league in assists turns the ball over. No suprise…also #1 in almost every passing stat.

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so you telling me that if you have the ball all game and attempt to pass it there is a possibility of a turn over?

omg - when you look at the list its all the usual suspects...but Lebron James and Harden

[CobraCommander]

High usage player who leads the league in assists turns the ball over. No suprise…also #1 in almost every passing stat.

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Over the years, there have been a lot of high usage players who led the league in assists, yet he was the one able to break the record(previously held by Westbrook.)

That’s just a ton of games in a row without having a single 0 turnover game.

True but he did have a ridiculous steak of 5+ apg earlier in the year not to mention 10+ apg player with zero turnover in a game is pretty rare but yeah thought he would of at least had a couple games at least with no to’s.

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you out here telling me Trae Young might be the best passer in the league????

I heard he wasn't better than Austin Reeves - when Trae has avg 29ppg and also 12 assist...kinda elite numbers - but we hate him...which this guy could be out the league right now based on his size and athleticism but he just balls

[tsherkin]

Of all things to look at about Trae, his playmaking is the area where there just isn't really room for reproach. He's a fantastic playmaker. His issues are ALL related to his individual scoring, and his defense. Not the way he distributes or protects the ball. He's one of the best playmakers of the last 45 years.

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That’s a wild stat. He’s gotta be on track to break the all time turnovers record, right? Think he’s averaging near 5 a game this season.

11.6 apg against 4.7 tpg, yeah. League-high 46.4% AST, 18.2% TOV. That turnover rate is pretty part for the course for a volume assist producer. Magic's career TOV% was 19.4%. Stockton's was 20.8%.

So Trae isn't in any sort of unusual company at all in this regard.

He set the record for most consecutive games without a 0 turnover game, so yea, I would say he is in unusual company as there is no company with him.

He leads the league in assists, but is also 60th in assist turnover ratio. Hes a great playmaker, but he doesn’t take care of the ball.

That doesn’t mean he’s a bad player, no one is saying that, but it’s a wild stat to see. He hasn’t had a 0 turnover game since 2021.

[tsherkin]

He set the record for most consecutive games without a 0 turnover game, so yea, I would say he is in unusual company as there is no company with him.

Yeah, I meant more to deflect criticism of him on the basis of turnovers, not to attack him.

He leads the league in assists, but is also 60th in assist turnover ratio. Hes a great playmaker, but he doesn’t take care of the ball.

No, that isn't true at all. That's why I referenced those other high-volume playmaking ATGs. He's right in the same zone as those guys in terms of turnover rate and assist rate. Magic was a career 3.9 tpg player and is the NBA's all-time leader at 11.2 apg. It's a very similar set up. He topped out at 4.6 tpg himself, and he wasn't rocking the same kind of scoring load Trae shoulders, either.

Food for thought.

[Clav]

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Dont let OP distract you. He's focusing on the negative. Young is a fantastic offensive player and his passing is phenomenal despite this random stat.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

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Dont let OP distract you. He's focusing on the negative. Young is a fantastic offensive player and his passing is phenomenal despite this random stat.

Random stat? It’s a very base level turnover stat. It isn’t like “when player A plays exactly 26 minutes in a game he does this” kinda stat with a bunch of obscure data points.

[tsherkin]

Dont let OP distract you. He's focusing on the negative. Young is a fantastic offensive player and his passing is phenomenal despite this random stat.

Just to reinforce this, again I bang the gong:

High-output assist producers who aren't Chris Paul produce a lot of turnovers. Trae's TOV% is very comparable to Magic Johnson and John Stockton. And that's actually pretty favorable to say, because he's stacking a lot of scoring possessions on top of that. He's fourth in the entire league in drives per game, 3rd in the league among guys playing 30+ mpg in team assist percentage on drives, and his TOV% on those drives is under 8%, which is highly competitive.

He's a phenomenal player, and the only people who are getting fooled by the tweet in the OP are those who only understand "HURRRRRRR TURNOVERS PER GAME BAD" and have no appreciation for context at all.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

He set the record for most consecutive games without a 0 turnover game, so yea, I would say he is in unusual company as there is no company with him.

Yeah, I meant more to deflect criticism of him on the basis of turnovers, not to attack him.

He leads the league in assists, but is also 60th in assist turnover ratio. Hes a great playmaker, but he doesn’t take care of the ball.

No, that isn't true at all. That's why I referenced those other high-volume playmaking ATGs. He's right in the same zone as those guys in terms of turnover rate and assist rate. Magic was a career 3.9 tpg player and is the NBA's all-time leader at 11.2 apg. It's a very similar set up. He topped out at 4.6 tpg himself, and he wasn't rocking the same kind of scoring load Trae shoulders, either.

Food for thought.

You’re perfectly allowed to think 5 turnovers a game is taking care of the ball.

I don’t.

Agree to disagree.

[tsherkin]

You’re perfectly allowed to think 5 turnovers a game is taking care of the ball.

I don’t.

Agree to disagree.

But again, you are wrong. You see the raw volume of turnovers and you are deluding yourself into thinking it's a problem.

When you consider the per-possession rate of turnovers, however, you realize that it isn't a big deal at all. And when you consider the other high-end playmakers in league history and their turnover rates (comparable to Trae's) which no one bitches about, then you realize that this isn't really an issue at all.

Turnovers are relative to possession volume. Trae's a 29.6% USG guy AND a 46.4% AST guy. His turnover rate is irrelevant.

There is no "agree to disagree."

You are wrong.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

the only people who are getting fooled by the tweet in the OP are those who only understand "HURRRRRRR TURNOVERS PER GAME BAD" and have no appreciation for context at all.

To be clear, I expected nothing more from you.

But, for what it’s worth, it’s entirely possible to be a great playmaker and also careless with the ball at times. There are a lot of high usage players over the years, and yet, he set the record. He’s also averaging 5 turnovers a game. That’s a lot whether you want to admit it or not, it doesn’t matter, it’s still a lot - enough to lead the league.

Now, you have threads all day every day on here pointing out stuff like this. Yet this is the one you got offended by? We both know why, hold your little grudge, it doesn’t bother me.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

You’re perfectly allowed to think 5 turnovers a game is taking care of the ball.

I don’t.

Agree to disagree.

But again, you are wrong. You see the raw volume of turnovers and you are deluding yourself into thinking it's a problem.

When you consider the per-possession rate of turnovers, however, you realize that it isn't a big deal at all. And when you consider the other high-end playmakers in league history and their turnover rates (comparable to Trae's) which no one bitches about, then you realize that this isn't really an issue at all.

Turnovers are relative to possession volume. Trae's a 29.6% USG guy AND a 46.4% AST guy. His turnover rate is irrelevant.

There is no "agree to disagree."

You are wrong.

What am I wrong about?

Him leading the league in turnovers? Him setting a record for the most consecutive games with a turnover? Him being 60th in the NBA in assist to turnover ratio?

[BlzMwt]

He set the record for most consecutive games without a 0 turnover game, so yea, I would say he is in unusual company as there is no company with him.

Yeah, I meant more to deflect criticism of him on the basis of turnovers, not to attack him.

He leads the league in assists, but is also 60th in assist turnover ratio. Hes a great playmaker, but he doesn’t take care of the ball.

No, that isn't true at all. That's why I referenced those other high-volume playmaking ATGs. He's right in the same zone as those guys in terms of turnover rate and assist rate. Magic was a career 3.9 tpg player and is the NBA's all-time leader at 11.2 apg. It's a very similar set up. He topped out at 4.6 tpg himself, and he wasn't rocking the same kind of scoring load Trae shoulders, either.

Food for thought.

You’re perfectly allowed to think 5 turnovers a game is taking care of the ball.

I don’t.

Agree to disagree.

But why do you just ignore the reasons why he has 5 turnovers a game?

You're that stubborn to not allow yourself to think the game on a bit of a deeper level?

You're free to think whatever you like but it doesn't make you right.

[kg01]

The worst turnover in here is the OP fumblin a Trae bashing thread. It's the easiest bash thread to make.