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ATG but no championships as the leader of their team.
I can think of Luka if nothing changes soon.

Interesting question, but it is more a shot in the dark than anything else. I also thought of Luka, but simply because he does not have it yet, and winning it is hard. Gianis, Jokic, Tatum already have, SGA will have it I think. Luka is very good, but if I had to bet now, I probably bet on win not winning, simply because it will be very hard with teams like the Spurs and Thunder.

Doncic, Embiid, Lillard

Harden

Nash was just overrated.

Harden and Embiid are the obvious choices.
Lillard isn't on that tier IMO, he's a tier below.
Luka will have hard time having a proper roster around him in LA, we'll see how it goes.

Embiid
Doncic
Ant
Chris Paul
Harden
Markkanen

Kingdibs19 wrote:Nash was just overrated.

Casual

Edwards, Doncic and Brunson come to mind. The Lakers are just so ass in the frontcourt, idk how u fix that quickly, seems like Luka is potentially shaping up tho, still a long shot vs Thunder, Pacers?, Spurs?, Nuggets? (Murray shapes up again, injury free MPJ they are contenders again). I dont believe in the Wolves unless they find out the Gobert situation, not working.

Harden, Embiid, and Westbrook are the first players to come to mind, all former MVPs. Luka still has a large enough window to win rings that I'm not comfortable putting him in this category yet.

Quattro wrote:

Kingdibs19 wrote:Nash was just overrated.

Casual

The media told you Nash deserved two MVPs and you believed them. The same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined Moving goal posts to pretend Nash is an ATG is casual and we all know why you and everyone and 1 you wants to pretend he is an ATG.

I think Luka may get one only because LA seems to always land big fish somehow when it's unlikely.

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So many Embiid responses.

Dude’s not even on the level of the other 3. You actually need to be available to play basketball to be on their level.

Lakers, if nothing changes?

They literally just got Luka a few months ago. Give them a freaking off season. The Lakers track record shows Luka will win a title or two before two thirds of the league will.

Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron. Luka is next in line. So enjoy your small market Finals now while you can. You will all be crying how unfair it is again.

Harden
CP3
Embiid
Westbrook

Kingdibs19 wrote:Nash was just overrated.

Not this again. I can write pages why he was underrated, but i think it is just an opinion.
without Nash and D#antoni and Don Nelson's Warriors we would have a different NBA today.

schnakenpopanz wrote:

Kingdibs19 wrote:Nash was just overrated.

Not this again. I can write pages why he was underrated, but i think it is just an opinion.
without Nash and D#antoni and Don Nelson's Warriors we would have a different NBA today.

Why bother? He will just cry about Kobe not winning an mvp in response. Waste of time

Kingdibs19 wrote:

Quattro wrote:

Kingdibs19 wrote:Nash was just overrated.

Casual

The media told you Nash deserved two MVPs and you believed them. The same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined Moving goal posts to pretend Nash is an ATG is casual and we all know why you and everyone and 1 you wants to pretend he is an ATG.

Shaq would have won more if he had been less injured all the time. Nash very much deserved his MVPs.

Nash's run in Phoenix was very much high-end, ATG stuff. Just because he didn't score 30 ppg doesn't mean that wasn't the case.

tsherkin wrote:

Kingdibs19 wrote:

Quattro wrote:
Casual

The media told you Nash deserved two MVPs and you believed them. The same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined Moving goal posts to pretend Nash is an ATG is casual and we all know why you and everyone and 1 you wants to pretend he is an ATG.

Shaq would have won more if he had been less injured all the time. Nash very much deserved his MVPs.

Nash's run in Phoenix was very much high-end, ATG stuff. Just because he didn't score 30 ppg doesn't mean that wasn't the case.

What moste people forget MVP has always been a mixture of regular season success, team success and Offensive Output. Nash led the best offenses (ATG in Rating for years) that does not mean that others weren't great too. There are always multiple things true at the same time. Just because others are great does not mean the player/team you support was trash. In fact it shows how hard the competition was these days.

schnakenpopanz wrote:

Kingdibs19 wrote:Nash was just overrated.

Not this again. I can write pages why he was underrated, but i think it is just an opinion.
without Nash and D#antoni and Don Nelson's Warriors we would have a different NBA today.

What did Nash's Suns change exactly? The league was still running a predominantly big man centric roster in regards to building contenders.

It was not until Curry that the game genuinely changed, seemingly overnight (2015). Comments like this that credit Nash are why people call him overrated.

The early 2000's Celtics were way ahead of the Suns of shooting 3's and running. The Wizards were playing the same way while the Suns were active and we never give those teams credit. No one ever mentions Gilbert Arenas as being the guy that all guards play like today. When in reality, those Wizards teams resemble what teams look like now way more than the Suns.