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Which team has the coaching advantage? Both coaches have been superb during this playoffs run.
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This will definitely be one of the more interesting storylines to watch.
Adelman really made a lot of solid schematic adjustments that made Mark look less impressive but as that series went on Mark got a lot better. By the time it came to Minny, Mark out coached Finch pretty solidly.
Carlisle has been one of the better game coaches for a long time.
Adelman really made a lot of solid schematic adjustments that made Mark look less impressive but as that series went on Mark got a lot better. By the time it came to Minny, Mark out coached Finch pretty solidly.
Carlisle has been one of the better game coaches for a long time.
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I’m an OKC fan and it’s pretty clear Carlisle is the better coach right now .
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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Adelman really made a lot of solid schematic adjustments that made Mark look less impressive but as that series went on Mark got a lot better.
This is nothing to be embarrassed about. Jokic rules. Any team would have a (very) hard time whenever they play against the absolute best player in the world.
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Very interesting playoffs for Daigneault. He was able to coach against two interim coaches (who have since been given the jobs) and Chris Finch. Now he gets the president of the NBA Coaches Association, a Chuck Daly and Larry Bird disciple, in Rick Carlisle. Carlisle also gets one last chance to prove he made the right choice leaving Cuban and Luka. And if he wins, he cements legendary status bringing the only NBA chips in Indiana and Dallas history.
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it's going to be an uphill battle for carlisle, because of the teams.
can he for example coach his players to be more active and foul more on offense in just a week? imagine a turnover and a fastbreak. every indiana player should be holding thunder players to prevent the break, since the refs won't be calling holding off the ball.
but how do you get your players to be mentally aware that while on offense, you want to be away from your defender but also, you want to be in position and ready to get close to that guy and make sure to slow him/impede him
can he for example coach his players to be more active and foul more on offense in just a week? imagine a turnover and a fastbreak. every indiana player should be holding thunder players to prevent the break, since the refs won't be calling holding off the ball.
but how do you get your players to be mentally aware that while on offense, you want to be away from your defender but also, you want to be in position and ready to get close to that guy and make sure to slow him/impede him
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Carlisle is the better coach, but Daigneault is obviously very good. You can't build an all-time defense if you don't know what you're doing.
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Jim Carrey is going to run circles around this French guy.
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It would be stupid to vote for Daigneault against an HOF coach.
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Carlisle is fantastic and obviously has the longer track record but at the same time Daigneault took over a complete rebuild job 5 year ago and now has OKC on the verge of a top 3-5 season in NBA history with a roster that I don’t think is one of the 3-5 most talented I’ve ever seen in my life for sure. This may be the GOAT coaching season. Jalen Williams is their second best player and with 4 more wins this team is statistically comparable to just about any team who has ever played in 80 seasons of nba basketball. Other than the 96 Bulls and 1 or two others at MAX I’m not sure who would clear them based on resume’. And I don’t think this team is talented at that level. Neither do you. And that’s not to mention all the time Chet missed this year and them still winning 68 with a historic point differential
There’s no way I can just sit here and say it’s an insult to Carlisle to make this comparison. Daigneault may be having the GOAT coaching season. I’m completely blown away by how good this team looks given I don’t think their talent rises to this kind of level. Like this is about to be an ALL TIME team. And if you’re higher on their talent than I am he surely gets credit for developing it. He has seen this OKC run through from step 1. He had most of these guys as puppies
There’s no way I can just sit here and say it’s an insult to Carlisle to make this comparison. Daigneault may be having the GOAT coaching season. I’m completely blown away by how good this team looks given I don’t think their talent rises to this kind of level. Like this is about to be an ALL TIME team. And if you’re higher on their talent than I am he surely gets credit for developing it. He has seen this OKC run through from step 1. He had most of these guys as puppies
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JulesWinnfield wrote:Carlisle is fantastic and obviously has the longer track record but at the same time Daigneault took over a complete rebuild job 5 year ago and now has OKC on the verge of a top 3-5 season in NBA history with a roster that I don’t think is one of the 3-5 most talented I’ve ever seen in my life for sure. This may be the GOAT coaching season. Jalen Williams is their second best player and with 4 more wins this team is statistically comparable to just about any team who has ever played in 80 seasons of nba basketball. Other than the 96 Bulls and 1 or two others at MAX I’m not sure who would clear them based on resume’. And I don’t think this team is talented at that level. Neither do you. And that’s not to mention all the time Chet missed this year and them still winning 68 with a historic point differential
There’s no way I can just sit here and say it’s an insult to Carlisle to make this comparison. Daigneault may be having the GOAT coaching season. I’m completely blown away by how good this team looks given I don’t think their talent rises to this kind of level. Like this is about to be an ALL TIME team. And if you’re higher on their talent than I am he surely gets credit for developing it. He has seen this OKC run through from step 1. He had most of these guys as puppies
Have you ever seen a team with similar amount of defensive talent plus an MVP which wasn't a great team? Or are saying he made them be what they are?
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TheNG wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:Carlisle is fantastic and obviously has the longer track record but at the same time Daigneault took over a complete rebuild job 5 year ago and now has OKC on the verge of a top 3-5 season in NBA history with a roster that I don’t think is one of the 3-5 most talented I’ve ever seen in my life for sure. This may be the GOAT coaching season. Jalen Williams is their second best player and with 4 more wins this team is statistically comparable to just about any team who has ever played in 80 seasons of nba basketball. Other than the 96 Bulls and 1 or two others at MAX I’m not sure who would clear them based on resume’. And I don’t think this team is talented at that level. Neither do you. And that’s not to mention all the time Chet missed this year and them still winning 68 with a historic point differential
There’s no way I can just sit here and say it’s an insult to Carlisle to make this comparison. Daigneault may be having the GOAT coaching season. I’m completely blown away by how good this team looks given I don’t think their talent rises to this kind of level. Like this is about to be an ALL TIME team. And if you’re higher on their talent than I am he surely gets credit for developing it. He has seen this OKC run through from step 1. He had most of these guys as puppies
Have you ever seen a team with similar amount of defensive talent plus an MVP which wasn't a great team? Or are saying he made them be what they are?
Let’s just cut to the point… do you think this is one of the 2-3 most talented teams in nba history? Because that’s what their resume’ is about to be.
And if you are that high on their talent, he absolutely gets credit for developing it. He didn’t inherit this team. He had almost all of them as pups, most of them as actual rookies. This was from the ground up. And it’s not easy in the NBA to have a team full of kids and get them to come together as a unit like this when everyone is trying to get their career off the ground first. He has done an incredible job. If they win 4 more games I have a tough time saying I’ve seen any coach have a better season
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JulesWinnfield wrote:Carlisle is fantastic and obviously has the longer track record but at the same time Daigneault took over a complete rebuild job 5 year ago and now has OKC on the verge of a top 3-5 season in NBA history with a roster that I don’t think is one of the 3-5 most talented I’ve ever seen in my life for sure. This may be the GOAT coaching season. Jalen Williams is their second best player and with 4 more wins this team is statistically comparable to just about any team who has ever played in 80 seasons of nba basketball. Other than the 96 Bulls and 1 or two others at MAX I’m not sure who would clear them based on resume’. And I don’t think this team is talented at that level. Neither do you. And that’s not to mention all the time Chet missed this year and them still winning 68 with a historic point differential
There’s no way I can just sit here and say it’s an insult to Carlisle to make this comparison. Daigneault may be having the GOAT coaching season. I’m completely blown away by how good this team looks given I don’t think their talent rises to this kind of level. Like this is about to be an ALL TIME team. And if you’re higher on their talent than I am he surely gets credit for developing it. He has seen this OKC run through from step 1. He had most of these guys as puppies
This is a very good point. I don't think this is some super team in terms of individual talent. SGA is clearly playing like a MVP player but when you compare this team to other super teams, to me it's missing the upper echelon in talent from its supportimg cast.
That makes what this team is doing more impressive and Daigneault definitely should get credit here.
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This is not even a question. Look at what kind of teams Rick has coached over the years. He had two of the best defensive teams in the early 2000s (Pistons and Pacers). Later, he won a championship with the Mavericks. Then he had the best offensive team in the league with the up-and-coming Mavericks. He had some ok years with the Mavs, but it was with a one-legged Dirk and Monta Ellis. Once again, he has proven he can take an underdog to the Finals.
If they switched teams, I don't think the Pacers would make the finals.
I'm starting to think I will put some money on the Pacers.
If they switched teams, I don't think the Pacers would make the finals.
I'm starting to think I will put some money on the Pacers.
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JulesWinnfield wrote:Carlisle is fantastic and obviously has the longer track record but at the same time Daigneault took over a complete rebuild job 5 year ago and now has OKC on the verge of a top 3-5 season in NBA history with a roster that I don’t think is one of the 3-5 most talented I’ve ever seen in my life for sure. This may be the GOAT coaching season. Jalen Williams is their second best player and with 4 more wins this team is statistically comparable to just about any team who has ever played in 80 seasons of nba basketball. Other than the 96 Bulls and 1 or two others at MAX I’m not sure who would clear them based on resume’. And I don’t think this team is talented at that level. Neither do you. And that’s not to mention all the time Chet missed this year and them still winning 68 with a historic point differential
There’s no way I can just sit here and say it’s an insult to Carlisle to make this comparison. Daigneault may be having the GOAT coaching season. I’m completely blown away by how good this team looks given I don’t think their talent rises to this kind of level. Like this is about to be an ALL TIME team. And if you’re higher on their talent than I am he surely gets credit for developing it. He has seen this OKC run through from step 1. He had most of these guys as puppies
Daigneault should deserve more credit for OKC success that's for sure. I love him and hope he stays in OKC for a very long time. That being said, if I have to pick a coach for a playoff series I would still take Carlisle easily. Daigneault showed some inexperience in the POs and it's totally normal at the current state of his career.
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Daigneault had some really questionable decisions in the series against Denver.
It took him way too long to adjust to the zone by putting better shooters at the corners. His free throw shenanigans cost them game 1.
Overall i was not impressed with him as a coach.
It took him way too long to adjust to the zone by putting better shooters at the corners. His free throw shenanigans cost them game 1.
Overall i was not impressed with him as a coach.
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It’s Carlisle but that is not downgrading Mark at all. He is top notch.
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Rick is the easy pick. But it should be noted that Mark is rapidly improving on the job.
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dirkdiggler4177 wrote:This is not even a question. Look at what kind of teams Rick has coached over the years. He had two of the best defensive teams in the early 2000s (Pistons and Pacers). Later, he won a championship with the Mavericks. Then he had the best offensive team in the league with the up-and-coming Mavericks. He had some ok years with the Mavs, but it was with a one-legged Dirk and Monta Ellis. Once again, he has proven he can take an underdog to the Finals.
If they switched teams, I don't think the Pacers would make the finals.
I'm starting to think I will put some money on the Pacers.
You probably should. The current Vegas odds are favoring OKC massively right now.
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