Holmgren & Hartenstein

XTC · Post #1 » by **XTC** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:44 am

Let's give these two their flowers.

These guys are the front court of the future, and I can't say enough good things about these two. Two athletic, lanky big men who can run the floor, defend, protect the rim, and pass the ball.

These two are defending the rim at a rate of 51.2% in the regular season, and 50.7% in the post season. That is honestly absurd. One of the best defensive front courts I've seen in awhile.

Maverick41 · Post #2 » by **Maverick41** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:59 am

Hartenstein is a good example to a lot of bigs that you don't need to be able to shoot well to stay on the court. The guy is one of the top role players in the NBA and impacts the game way beyond the stat sheet.

Maxthirty · Post #3 » by **Maxthirty** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:03 am

H&H Block.

mcfly1204 · Post #4 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:04 am

Solid season for sure, second best young front court behind Cleveland.

CIN-C-STAR · Post #5 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:16 am

Hartenstein is lanky?

KP Duty · Post #6 » by **KP Duty** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:56 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:Hartenstein is lanky?

Lol. Maybe 'lean' would have been better.

Chet is lanky, but his 2-step drive & dunk is impressive. I hope Hartenstein's little floater is hitting tomorrow...it's purdy.

Mr Puddles · Post #7 » by **Mr Puddles** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:02 am

Their names together sound like one of those lawfirms with the cheap local TV ads.

“is your neighbor's cat meowing too loud? Call the law offices of Holmgren & Hartenstein for a free consultation.”

Moose · Post #8 » by **Moose** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:21 am

Would the Knicks have went as far with iHart and Divo instead of KAT?

Edit: I'm genuinely asking lol. Knicks would also have an extra pick they could use for a midseason deal

Lalouie · Post #9 » by **Lalouie** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:34 am

holmgren gets PLENTY of flowers because i think the media is all on the okc bandwagon

lethalizer · Post #10 » by **lethalizer** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:38 am

Good duo when they are seperated, that's for sure.

I hope Mark won't be stubborn and just bench Hartenstein as quickly as he can.

One of them should be on the court all times, two of them should be on the court together for a maximum of 6-7 minutes or so.

ShootersShoot · Post #11 » by **ShootersShoot** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:43 am

We keep hearing holmgren is a stick..and well he is lol but he holds his own. He played 82 games at center as a rookie with no real size next to him and was fine with his team being one of the best.

He fits the mold of ideal modern bigs like mobley, turner..guys that can score around the basket, shoot and, rebound/block shots at a high level.

Hart is a quality defensive anchor, and really not that much worse if at all than gobert overall.

Having two starting bigs who can rebound and protect the rim at a high level is something most teams can only dream of

Luckily the cap will separate them soon enough :wink:

XTC · Post #12 » by **XTC** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:53 am

ShootersShoot wrote:We keep hearing holmgren is a stick..and well he is lol but he holds his own. He played 72 games at center as a rookie with no real size next to him and was fine with his team being one of the best.

He fits the mold of more modern bigs like mobley, turner, kat..guys that can score around the basket, shoot and, rebound/block shots at a high level.

Super underrated rim protector

I know people love Wemby (for the right reasons), but Chet does a damn great job of contesting everything. He's already one of the best rim protectors in the NBA.

ShootersShoot · Post #13 » by **ShootersShoot** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 4:00 am

XTC wrote:
ShootersShoot wrote:We keep hearing holmgren is a stick..and well he is lol but he holds his own. He played 72 games at center as a rookie with no real size next to him and was fine with his team being one of the best.

He fits the mold of more modern bigs like mobley, turner, kat..guys that can score around the basket, shoot and, rebound/block shots at a high level.

Super underrated rim protector

I know people love Wemby (for the right reasons), but Chet does a damn great job of contesting everything. He's already one of the best rim protectors in the NBA.

I mean he would have been 3rd in bpg if he qualified, and was tied for 4th past yr as a rookie..pretty sure people know about the shot blocking. Where I do think he gets underrated is offensively.

Post #14 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 4:01 am

Moose wrote:Would the Knicks have went as far with iHart and Divo instead of KAT?

Edit: I'm genuinely asking lol. Knicks would also have an extra pick they could use for a midseason deal

No.
The Knicks failed at using Isaiah Hartenstein properly.
Knicks failed to make him part of the offense and OKC did the opposite.

The big men matter.....so....give them the touches and let them shoot the dang ball. It makes them want to perform better on both ends of the floor. Most teams fail at this!

Field goal attempts with:
Knicks 4.9 per game
OKC 8.4 per game

CIN-C-STAR · Post #15 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 4:29 am

Moose wrote:Would the Knicks have went as far with iHart and Divo instead of KAT?

Edit: I'm genuinely asking lol. Knicks would also have an extra pick they could use for a midseason deal

Is Divo Randle?
If so, then yes.
I still think KAT is better but the offense being so Brunson-dominated didn’t make his unique skills as additive as I thought tbh.

gavran · Post #16 » by **gavran** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:44 am

F Fartenstein.

UcanUwill · Post #17 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 6:10 am

Maverick41 wrote:Hartenstein is a good example to a lot of bigs that you don't need to be able to shoot well to stay on the court. The guy is one of the top role players in the NBA and impacts the game way beyond the stat sheet.

Hartenstein has had interesting career, because as a prospect, he was a shooting big, he supposed to be next German hope, he was compared to Dirk... Even in the NBA, early on he shot some 3s and now, interestingly in this era he abandoned it completely. Which is interesting to think, because he is not complete non shooter, but even in this era he was instructed to stop shooting 3s. So it is not all about 3 point shooting still.

I really liked him at the draft, he played for my favorite Euroleague team, Žalgiris, and I mean he did not really play in Euroleague, just in Domestic league, but he had promise. He was one of the very few Euro bench warmer prospects that I would like, probably because he was ranked very low, like late second round. I remember preaching that this guy ain't any worse than Dragan Bender, and Bender was projected top 5 for whatever reason, and Hartenstein was barely draftable. But thats how it often goes with Euro bench warming prospects still to this day, some guys are projected very high for whatever reason, and some are not (Like Nikola Topic last year, I do not get it whats so good about him...)

But I said during Hartensteins final year in Kaunas, this guy is advertised all wrong. He supposed to be next Dirk, and then he moved from German third division to far greater league, and he is no scorer. So all these scout guys figured he just aint good anymore. But I watched most of his LKL guys, I even had some of his highlights on my youtube page, and I said it at a time, this guy is defensive big, his defense is great. But people thought he suppose to be this shooter and scorer and thats why I think his stock was so low and he was drafted late second round... People didn't really know what he really was. He improved a ton in the NBA, but I think mainly in offensive touch, it took a lot of time for NBA teams to figure out this guy can anchor the defense.

lethalizer · Post #18 » by **lethalizer** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 6:15 am

ShootersShoot wrote:We keep hearing holmgren is a stick..and well he is lol but he holds his own. He played 72 games at center as a rookie with no real size next to him and was fine with his team being one of the best.

He fits the mold of ideal modern bigs like mobley, turner..guys that can score around the basket, shoot and, rebound/block shots at a high level.

Hart is a quality defensive anchor, and really not that much worse if at all than gobert overall.

Having two starting bigs who can rebound and protect the rim at a high level is something most teams can only dream of

Luckily the cap will separate them soon enough

He played 82 games, not 72. Played in all playoff games as well, for a total of 92 games in a single season. I don't think that was a wise thing to do as he was pretty much burnt out by the end of the Mavs series, but yeah.

C0bR · Post #19 » by **C0bR** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 7:39 am

The double big lineup absolutely sucks and should only be busted out in the case of an emergency when someone like Jokic is stuffing Chet into the pylon behind the basket.

Daigneault is stubborn as hell about still running with it which might give the Pacers a chance

bbms · Post #20 » by **bbms** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 7:44 am

XTC wrote:
ShootersShoot wrote:We keep hearing holmgren is a stick..and well he is lol but he holds his own. He played 72 games at center as a rookie with no real size next to him and was fine with his team being one of the best.

He fits the mold of more modern bigs like mobley, turner, kat..guys that can score around the basket, shoot and, rebound/block shots at a high level.

Super underrated rim protector

I know people love Wemby (for the right reasons), but Chet does a damn great job of contesting everything. He's already one of the best rim protectors in the NBA.

chet has the most technically sound rim protection out of this crop of centers (wemby, mobley, him), and probably the best suited to anchor an elite all time defense like this just because of his iq.