Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

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Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team? 

Post#1 » by LakerLegend » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:56 pm

I don’t think I consider the first 3 peat Bulls a super team, but the second definitely. That’s not to say Jordan didn’t have a talent advantage in the first 3 peat. What if Ewing had Drexler or Dominique instead of Starks in 92 and 93? Jordan probably has two less titles.
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Re: Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team? 

Post#2 » by LePeekaboo » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:00 pm

No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).
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Post#3 » by PistolPeteJR » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:01 pm

LePeekaboo wrote:No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).


Having Rodman for 3 chips is a bit?
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Post#4 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:01 pm

Jordan by himself is a super team :)
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Post#5 » by LakerLegend » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:02 pm

LePeekaboo wrote:No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).

Rodman won multiple dpoy and rebounding titles.
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Post#6 » by ReggiesKnicks » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:04 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
LePeekaboo wrote:No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).

Rodman won multiple dpoy and rebounding titles.


Yeah but did he lead teams to 35 wins as the main guy?
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Post#7 » by ReggiesKnicks » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:07 pm

LePeekaboo wrote:No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).


Rodman finished Top 15 in MVP voting in 1994 and 1995.

Here are his accolades in 1995: MVP (12), DPOY (5), All-NBA (3), All-Defensive (1)

He joined the 1996 Bulls. That seems to foot the bill for an All-Star/All-NBA caliber player, unless you think his impact was neutered because of playing with Jordan and Pippen.
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Post#8 » by DonaldSanders » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:09 pm

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Post#9 » by vxmike » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:11 pm

No. Jordan and Pippen were drafted and Rodman obtained via trade as a distressed asset that nobody wanted.

“super teams” are when stars collude to play with each other via FA or force trade to certain teams.
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Re: Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team? 

Post#10 » by Wallace_Wallace » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:13 pm

Relative to their peers, was there a team with its third best player that is as good as Dennis Rodman?
Shaq/Penny (Penny is starting to be injury prone)
Malone/Stockton
Payton/Kemp
Olajuwon/Drexler (not really after 96)
Ewing/Starks (not really)
Miller/Smit (not really)

None of those teams had a decent third option except for Utah with Jeff Hornacek and Seattle with Schrempf (Chicago only needed to face one each year in the finals). So yes the Bulls are a superteam.
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Post#11 » by Lalouie » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:18 pm

super team is a milennial word

it's what lebron put together @miami
what gsw tried doing with kd
what giannis tried doing with lillard
what kawhi tried doing with pg
what harden/kyrie/kd/simmons tried doing
what kd/booker/beal @phx
lebron@ cavs

in the environment of the 21st century empowerment era, it is a superstar player driven attempt to buddy up with other superstars

i don't recall anyone calling the bulls, lakers, or celts, 60s celts or even as late as kobe/nash a "superteam" (that was malone and nash over the hill and ready for one last shot).
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Post#12 » by DaPessimist » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:22 pm

The 2nd Bulls 3-peat squad was a "Super Team".
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Post#13 » by FrobeBryant » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:25 pm

Depends on how the term superteam is defined. Either it’s a group of established superstars joining together via trade or free agency. Or it’s a group who’s grown together organically and became star level players throughout their respective tenures with that team. For the record, I don’t consider Jordan’s Bulls to be a super team.
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Post#14 » by Ice Man » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:33 pm

A super team is a team that is artificially constructed, by big-name stars either coming as FAs or requesting trades. The Bulls therefore don't qualify, because that team was constructed entirely through the draft, non-requested trades, and summer signings (e.g. Steve Kerr).
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Post#15 » by Chuck Everett » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:46 pm

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.
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Post#16 » by 76Shots » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:47 pm

3 first-ballot HOFers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman), a top 2 ATG Coach (Phil Jackson), a never-ending line of elite role players (Kerr, Grant, Paxton, Harper, Kucoc, Longley, Armstrong...), and HOF GM (Jerry Krause)

The Bulls during that era were not only a super team, they were a super organization.
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Post#17 » by ScrantonBulls » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:50 pm

The first 3-peat team only won mere 55 games in 93-94 after the clear best player MJ retired. The 2nd 3-peat only had 4 HOFers. Absolutely not. Those teams were trash and were carried by MJ's extraordinary desire to win and kill the opponents.
bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog

1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
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Post#18 » by Patches Perry » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:50 pm

"Super team" is almost always a manufactured pejorative term aimed at dominant teams and players you tend to not care for.

So the answer is:

Do you like the Bulls? Not a super team
Do you dislike the Bulls? Super team
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Re: Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team? 

Post#19 » by ScrantonBulls » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:51 pm

LakerLegend wrote:I don’t think I consider the first 3 peat Bulls a super team, but the second definitely. That’s not to say Jordan didn’t have a talent advantage in the first 3 peat. What if Ewing had Drexler or Dominique instead of Starks in 92 and 93? Jordan probably has two less titles.

Can you add a poll to this?
bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog

1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
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Re: Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team? 

Post#20 » by ReggiesKnicks » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:54 pm

At the end of the day, the Chicago Bulls, in most years during the 1990s, had more high-end talent than a majority of teams in the NBA. The definition of a SuperTeam can be closely defined as "An accumulation of multiple highly accredited players".

We don't see teams like the 2019 Toronto Raptors as a super-team with Kawhi/Lowry at the helm, even though Siakam was All-NBA and an All-Star in the following year.

The Warriors didn't get labeled "superteam" by the media and NBA fan base in 2015 or 2016, even though Curry/Klay/Draymond were all All-Star to All-NBA caliber players.

I personally label teams "Superteam" as the overall collection of talent stands above the rest of the NBA teams. I consider the 2025 Oklahoma City Thunder a superteam. I could see arguments for the 2024 Boston Celtics being a superteam, and I see them similarly to the 2019 Toronto Raptors in terms of having 6-7 starting-caliber players with top-end talent to complement.

The 1996 Chicago Bulls had two players finish Top 5 in MVP voting, another who received at least a single vote (Dennis Rodman), the 6MOY, and another 6MOY candidate in Steve Kerr. Let's compare this to the other contenders in the NBA in 1996.

Orlando Magic: Top 5 MVP Candidate, Top 10 MVP Candidate, 3 respectable starters, and a weak bench
Indiana Pacers: Top 15 Player (Reggie Miller)
San Antonio Spurs: Top 3 MVP Candidate, All-Star, Middling 6MOY candidate
Utah Jazz: Top 7 and Top 15 MVP Candidates, 1 respectable starter, and a weak bench
Seattle Supersonics: 2 Top 10 MVP Candidates, 2 respectable starters, and a middling bench
Los Angeles Lakers: 1 Top 15 MVP Candidate

When you compare the 1996 Chicago Bulls to the other contenders in the NBA in 1996, they are head and shoulders above everyone else. To me, that is a superteam.

One mistake many people make is comparing teams of the past to the modern-day game. The modern-day game has more talent. Teams routinely have 5-7 players who I would define as respectable starters. There isn't a drop-off of high-volume scorers outside of the all-star level.

If we took the Chicago Bulls and Orlando Magic accolades to teams, here is a modern-day equivalent.

Chicago Bulls:
Nikola Jokic
Jaren Jackson Jr
Duncan Robinson
Keon Ellis
Donovan Mitchell
Payton Pritchard
Nickeil Alexander-Walker

Orlando Magic:
Rudy Gobert
Evan Mobley
Josh Hart
Norman Powell
Cade Cunningham
Tim Hardaway Jr
Georges Niang

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