One and Done to Two and Through?

[pipfan]

I like to post ideas about improving the league. Some of my favorites are
-go to 76 games with expansion
-dump the ASG and move the IST to midseason
-add a "once-every-5-year" contract amnesty, that's a tradable asset
-take out any limits on defense
-expand the court 6 inches on each side, to reduce the # of step out of bounds
-go to Alternating Possessions, the jump ball is SO hard to do well

Anyway, I think the One-and-Done rule should be changed to Two-and-Through. Why?

-It allows 2 seasons of evaluation for NBA scouts
-Most rookies are bad, this gives them another year to develop and be more mature when they hit the league (less babysitting)
-Helps the NCAA (NBA free minor leagues) and makes a bit more established names enter the draft for more hype
-Doesn't affect any current NBA players, so they'd vote for it (and give a few more jobs to borderline vets for a year)

Now, I hate the NCAA and its corruption. But this is what's best for the NBA, and I think this makes sense. Players in the NCAA are paid now, or they can join the GLeague for 2 season if they want and earn a paycheck.

Thoughts?

[BigGargamel]

One and done is fine. Good freshmen are usually as ready to play as good seniors. There are always busts, of course, but you usually know if a freshman is NBA quality or not. It would be a waste of time to make Cooper Flagg play another year in college. Don't care one bit about helping the NCAA. The NIL is there to get fringe and non NBA players paid. I still want the best in the NBA as soon as they can be.

[Devilanche]

No need to. If they aren’t ready they will need decide if they want to try their luck and get drafted into the right situation or go back to the NCAA and get the NIL money.

[FeatheryTouch]

I like to post ideas about improving the league. Some of my favorites are
-go to 76 games with expansion
-dump the ASG and move the IST to midseason
-add a "once-every-5-year" contract amnesty, that's a tradable asset
-take out any limits on defense
-expand the court 6 inches on each side, to reduce the # of step out of bounds
-go to Alternating Possessions, the jump ball is SO hard to do well

Anyway, I think the One-and-Done rule should be changed to Two-and-Through. Why?

-It allows 2 seasons of evaluation for NBA scouts
-Most rookies are bad, this gives them another year to develop and be more mature when they hit the league (less babysitting)
-Helps the NCAA (NBA free minor leagues) and makes a bit more established names enter the draft for more hype
-Doesn't affect any current NBA players, so they'd vote for it (and give a few more jobs to borderline vets for a year)

Now, I hate the NCAA and its corruption. But this is what's best for the NBA, and I think this makes sense. Players in the NCAA are paid now, or they can join the GLeague for 2 season if they want and earn a paycheck.

Thoughts?

What about international players that don't play in college or the G-league? You would have to create new rules for them as well.

You could make it age based I guess, but I'm not sure there is a massive need right now for an overhaul of the draft rules. Seismic changes are happening quickly with the money and regulations within college sports right now, the NBA might want to let the dust settle there a bit before considering any adjustments to the draft process.

I mostly agree with the other proposals in your list however.

[UcanUwill]

WIth NIL money, we see a lot of lower ranked players staying in college, so it is already happening. I don't even know what you are suggesting, increasing draft age eligibility? I understand NBA is private league and they can do this, but I already hate draft age limit as is, to a point they basically force kids to go to college for a year, because there is nothing else for them to do for a year. I think its really ****. At least American kids could choose G league instead now, but it still sucks that a lot of ready guys just have to postpone their entrance to a league.

[bkkrh]

I like to post ideas about improving the league. Some of my favorites are
-go to 76 games with expansion
-dump the ASG and move the IST to midseason
-add a "once-every-5-year" contract amnesty, that's a tradable asset
-take out any limits on defense
-expand the court 6 inches on each side, to reduce the # of step out of bounds
-go to Alternating Possessions, the jump ball is SO hard to do well

Anyway, I think the One-and-Done rule should be changed to Two-and-Through. Why?

-It allows 2 seasons of evaluation for NBA scouts
-Most rookies are bad, this gives them another year to develop and be more mature when they hit the league (less babysitting)
-Helps the NCAA (NBA free minor leagues) and makes a bit more established names enter the draft for more hype
-Doesn't affect any current NBA players, so they'd vote for it (and give a few more jobs to borderline vets for a year)

Now, I hate the NCAA and its corruption. But this is what's best for the NBA, and I think this makes sense. Players in the NCAA are paid now, or they can join the GLeague for 2 season if they want and earn a paycheck.

Thoughts?

I am for neither of your options. I'd prefer to go back to old model of players being eligible to join the league at any time. If a player is ready after High School, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to declare for the draft.

[zimpy27]

One and Done or Three and Free


Means if you don't come out of one season then you have to do 3 seasons and get your degree.

[lambchop]

I like to post ideas about improving the league. Some of my favorites are
-go to 76 games with expansion
-dump the ASG and move the IST to midseason
-add a "once-every-5-year" contract amnesty, that's a tradable asset
-take out any limits on defense
-expand the court 6 inches on each side, to reduce the # of step out of bounds
-go to Alternating Possessions, the jump ball is SO hard to do well

Anyway, I think the One-and-Done rule should be changed to Two-and-Through. Why?

-It allows 2 seasons of evaluation for NBA scouts
-Most rookies are bad, this gives them another year to develop and be more mature when they hit the league (less babysitting)
-Helps the NCAA (NBA free minor leagues) and makes a bit more established names enter the draft for more hype
-Doesn't affect any current NBA players, so they'd vote for it (and give a few more jobs to borderline vets for a year)

Now, I hate the NCAA and its corruption. But this is what's best for the NBA, and I think this makes sense. Players in the NCAA are paid now, or they can join the GLeague for 2 season if they want and earn a paycheck.

Thoughts?

I am for neither of your options. I'd prefer to go back to old model of players being eligible to join the league at any time. If a player is ready after High School, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to declare for the draft.

This. The reality of scouting or becoming a bonafide NBA player is that it's simply messy and unpredictable, even if you try to control as many variables as possible. College basketball doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA level, because of the rules, style of play and overall competition, of course.

Awesome players, like Amare, LBJ, KG, Jermaine Oneal, Tmac etc., came straight out of high school, while the list of guys who took their time, like Duncan or Lillard, Draymond, is also considerable.

With the current social media landscape there would be a lot of pressure on scouts evaluating and GMs drafting high school players, if there were no one and done rule in place. Thus, I think the current rule is fine.

[wegotthabeet]

Thé main source of motivation is to get to the league asap so that you can sign that second contract asap.

So there would have to be a rule that allows upperclassmen to either shorten their rookie contracts to two seasons or they avoid restricted free agency after their rookie contract. Otherwise you’re just preventing people from maximizing their earnings.

You need to ask yourself what you’re willing to give up in order to implement such restrictions. I agree with the objective. The league is better when rookies are older.

[Karate Diop]

College basketball is a horrendous environment for developing players. It's not like it used to be... Players are better off going to Europe if they actually want to learn the craft.

If they want the cheddar and the "cheddar", iykyk, then college is the place to go though.

[wegotthabeet]

One and Done or Three and Free


Means if you don't come out of one season then you have to do 3 seasons and get your degree.

This could work if a player got to be a free agent after staying in college for three years or until the age of 21. By staying later they could avoid the draft process. Otherwise why would any top prospect stay in school?

[jokeboy86]

From just purely a marketing standpoint and nothing else an age 22 age limit(that’s what WNBA has) would benefit college basketball and the NBA tremendously. There’s a reason why the WNBA has never been interested in lowering the age limit its entire existence. One the veterans have been steadfastly against it for obvious reasons and two the league likes having known established college stars entering the league. All of the best WNBA players other than the international stars were known college players and that always led to immediate intrigue when they were drafted. Also it leads to college fans continuing to follow players who were their legends and the bond is much stronger.

Most of the NBA’s one and done aren’t really well known anymore unlike when the rule was first started and all fans were religiously tracking all of the top freshmen recruits and where they go to college. Not only that their time in college is so brief that aside from winning a national title, the schools and their alumni don’t really have that connection with them and don’t really care once they’re in the league. What’s worse now as at least before the top one and done recruits were making sure they were going to blue blood schools where now guys like Simmons, Fultz, and now Dybantsa are just basically going to schools with no chance of contending or tournament runs just to put up numbers to help their draft profile. They have every right to do that but it doesn’t help college basketball or the NBA.

[threethehardway]

I am not in the interest of bailing out billionaires and crappy talent evaluators at the expense of young people being able to chase their aspirations.

One and done is stupid. Two and through is criminal.

[pipfan]

I am not in the interest of bailing out billionaires and crappy talent evaluators at the expense of young people being able to chase their aspirations.

One and done is stupid. Two and through is criminal.

I see your points, but the question is what's best for the league. I think this idea helps the NBA. Yes, it hurts a group of kids every year, no doubt. And I hate the NCAA thoroughly, but this would help them a lot.

Rookies who are older, better and more familiar-I think that's in the League's interest

[Lalouie]

it is a moot point because scouting places an irrationally high premium on athleticism

with that is the following....
1... "high ceiling" in basketball is 99.99999999999999999999% dependent on athleticism
2...concomitant to that is the irrational view that youth matters = get'em younger.

in other words teams will draft for youth and athleticism always. 2and thru is more of a mental, upstairs thing but the scouting will never place importance on brains. they SAY the do,,,,,but they DON'T

there is nothing wrong with what you say. in fact i agree. but 2andthru will never happen. the best thing to happen to 2and thru is the nil monies. if colleges add another 30% to nil you'll see even more 2and thru's

that all being said i think maybe the infux of foreign athlete might have an effect on this because they're just better taught. so maybe a better idea is to get rid of aau and IMPROVE g-league. allow hs players to jump past college and enter g-league 2or3years earlier

then you can have a sports version of a high school and professional school system already in place for the gifted - like julliard, curtis, pratt, art center, risd, otis, calarts, and berklee

[threethehardway]

I see your points, but the question is what's best for the league. I think this idea helps the NBA. Yes, it hurts a group of kids every year, no doubt. And I hate the NCAA thoroughly, but this would help them a lot.

Rookies who are older, better and more familiar-I think that's in the League's interest

Why would this help anyone? The paternalistic arguments of, "Well this is good for them because they get to develop." Develop into what? Arguably the best player ever didn't go to college.

College basketball is nothing like NBA basketball. It's a completely different ruleset with completely different strategies, the same with high school basketball.

The early 2000s was the time most basketball fans paid attention to high school ball, looking for the next Kobe. We knew all sorts guys and looked at camps and rankings.

Now, we just wait until draft season and look at highlights of prospects. College basketball is dominated by grown men because of NIL and the teenagers that have NBA goals no longer run the sport. So, if you are an NBA fan and like professional ball and NCAA looks nothing like it, why would you watch it?

If the NBA cared about developing young players and wanted to have a streamlined process to the NBA, which they don't because that's money out of their pockets, they would have an academy system and get rid of the AAU circuit.

But America loves it's business anarchy which exploits young talent. That's why the AAU exist. That's why the sneaker camps existed. And ultimately that's why the NCAA and the draft exists.

None of these systems are about developing players. NBA teams develop NBA players and NBA teams want to do it with as little investment as possible.

[Myth]

Why not “Four or more?”

[Effigy]

I am not in the interest of bailing out billionaires and crappy talent evaluators at the expense of young people being able to chase their aspirations.

One and done is stupid. Two and through is criminal.

It's not criminal now that colleges can pay players. There's nothing wrong with the league deciding what ages it will choose to employ players. And I don't care about 'bailing out billionaires' either, but I do like seeing players come to the league better formed. Though I'm not convinced that actually happens with college. Before the league insisted on one year of college, many of the best players were straight out of highschool.

[threethehardway]

It's not criminal now that colleges can pay players. There's nothing wrong with the league deciding what ages it will choose to employ players. And I don't care about 'bailing out billionaires' either, but I do like seeing players come to the league better formed. Though I'm not convinced that actually happens with college. Before the league insisted on one year of college, many of the best players were straight out of highschool.

Colleges being able to pay players doesn't make any less criminal when they are the only game in town and refuse to professionalize as actual sports academies.

Using boosters and other forms of shadow money to pay players is still operating as some sort of cartel, which the NBA is.

The NBA owners simply don't want to pay to develop players and NBA fans need to understand that. All of this, "They'll be better if stay in college longer" is cope.

The lack of development you see in players is due to individual talent and combined with the AAU circuit grinding kids in dust with the NCAA being a crappy brand of basketball, you should be amazed that they can get into the NBA and undo their any of their bad habits at all.

Kyrie Irving barely played in college and was basically fresh out of high school and look at how complete of an offensive player he was a young guy. That's the benefit of being around professional players at a young age and having talent.

If you want better players, put them through an actual academy that is ran based on an NBA rule set and NBA coach strategy instead of goofy NCAA rules.

[Mephariel]

I am not in the interest of bailing out billionaires and crappy talent evaluators at the expense of young people being able to chase their aspirations.

One and done is stupid. Two and through is criminal.

I see your points, but the question is what's best for the league. I think this idea helps the NBA. Yes, it hurts a group of kids every year, no doubt. And I hate the NCAA thoroughly, but this would help them a lot.

Rookies who are older, better and more familiar-I think that's in the League's interest

No thanks. If I am an NBA owner, I would want to draft AJ Dybantsa now and not wait another year. Why would I want to wait?