Presti, Carlisle Adored while Pritchard is Ignored, Why?

[tamaraw08]

You google search Pritchard NBA and it will give you the diminutive guard's Info right away.
Carlisle has his own thread being a "cheat code" here.
Presti has recieved his own accolades and a Genius and no, I am not saying Kevin belong in the class but....
Kevin has put together a pretty good team acquiring guys like Nemhard, Nesmith, trading for Hali, Siakam and Toppin etc and oh btw, hiring Carlisle.
The Indiana Exec has an overall record of 53.7% with 3 really good years in Portland.
The Pacers won 42 games before he took over from Larry Bird and had 48 wins 2 straight years under him.

[Chuck Everett]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

[Dan Z]

You can't ignore sixth man of the year Payton Pritchard!

[Tim Lehrbach]

I never cared for him in Portland, and he deserved to be fired if the Tom Penn allegations were true, but he's been masterful in Indiana. Emulating his success is easier said than done, however. It's been less a "process" than a series of getting basically every decision right.

[jkvonny]

Indiana Pacers has always had a good Front Office.
The San Antonio Spurs of the East. They just dont have the NBA championships yet ( does have 3 ABA championships back in the '70s tho). Mid/small market, well run, mostly rely on the draft/organic/home grown and trades, good scouting, good coaches, player development, normally very competitive, very few bad lottery seasons, former ABA team, etc. This is all similar to the Spurs.
So I can see why Pritchard may be overlooked as team President/GM. Indiana is usually good, well run.

[ChumboChappati]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

A quiet guy who is much more competent does not get the same accolades he deserves than the loud guy who is much less competent. Case in point Pritchard vs Masai. Siakam trade was a masterpiece of Pritchard, and he fully exposed Masai there, and yet Masai is still considered good

[Chuck Everett]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

A quiet guy who is much more competent does not get the same accolades he deserves than the loud guy who is much less competent. Case in point Pritchard vs Masai. Siakam trade was a masterpiece of Pritchard, and he fully exposed Masai there, and yet Masai is still considered good

I'm not going to disagree totally, but Masai has a chip and this is Pritchard's first NBA finals as a lead front office exec. That could also play a part in it. For example, when Donnie Walsh was leading the front office in Indiana, he was pretty well known for how good he was.

[MrBigShot]

Presti has been a household name/one of the more well known GMs for a while now. A lot of hardcore nba fans couldn't name the pacers GM.

[Hoop Hunter]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

We finally tanked, for around 2-1/2 seasons. Starting halfway through 2020-21 season we pulled the plug. 21-22 and 22-23. It was a really fast rebuild, things just fell into place when we got Paskal.

Everyone thinks Carlisle finally talked the owner, Simon, into tanking. Pritchard had wanted to tear it down for years. Carlisle has more influence than the coach normally does. That's been the story around here anyway.

They let Prichard rebuild, finally. The start was trading our best player Sabonis for Haliburton. (We got Sabonis and Dipo for PG13, another good trade, to bad Dipo exploded his knee)

We traded Brogdon, LeVert. Turned the roster over in 2 years. Got rid of every player but Turner.

Pritchard has alway been good at trades. Pacer fans have called it being "Prich Slapped" for years.

We got Toppin for 2 2nd rounders. Got Nesmith for Brogdon.

Prichard has had several drafting misses over the years, some of them may have been Bird though. Some great late round and 2nd round picks though. Isaiah Jackson late 1st.

We got Nembhard in the 2nd round and Sheppard late 1st. Both from picks in the Cavs LeVert trade and a 2027 second-round pick we haven't used yet. Really GREAT trade.

The jury is still out on Mathurin age 22 and Walker 21 both lottery picks 6th and 8th. Both have a TON of talent. I expect both to breakout next season. We may also have something in 2nd round pick Johnny Furphy 20. 6-9 pretty athletic and can shoot the 3. He was picked as one of the steals of the draft by several draft reviews, we'll see. He is a few years away.

[Bad Bart]

I never cared for him in Portland, and he deserved to be fired if the Tom Penn allegations were true, but he's been masterful in Indiana. Emulating his success is easier said than done, however. It's been less a "process" than a series of getting basically every decision right.

What were the Tom Penn allegations?

[sonictecture]

If Carlisle wasn’t the head coach would the Pacers be in the finals or would they just be another team?

Not only does Carlisle influence personnel decisions, he makes them work. Pritchard is not special in my view.

[DusterBuster]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

This actually isn't totally accurate. KP was actually pretty vocal in his time in Portland and regularly talked to the Portland media members who were covering the team at the time... to the point where it actually got him in hot water and basically got him fired when he tried using the media to backdoor go above his bosses head to try and get the President job and give his assistant GM Chad Buchanan the full time GM job. Ended up being a pretty big drama within the Blazers org for awhile. It's no coincidence that KP and Chad are now president and GM in Indy. Pacers were smart to poach them from Portland. It was not a good move by Pritchard at the time and irked Paul Allen enough to fire KP, but in the long-term thing, I wish they could have just handled it privately as even back in the day, I felt Pritchard was a pretty great GM. He was better than the President the Blazers had at the time, but that's still a **** way to get someones job.

If he's quiet now, that's likely why. KP learned his lesson with that.

[165bows]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

It’s interesting because most of his moves have gotten really mixed reviews early on but they’ve worked well for the most part.

Also speaking of Pritchard can’t ignore all my past fake trades good job 6MotY!!

[tamaraw08]

If Carlisle wasn’t the head coach would the Pacers be in the finals or would they just be another team?

Not only does Carlisle influence personnel decisions, he makes them work. Pritchard is not special in my view.

I know Larry Bird love Carlisle but Bird left Indiana at the end of 2017. Pritchard took over and improved the team's record to 48 wins to 2 straight years under Nate McMillan then 4 years later hired Carlisle.
Rick is a great coach but he also need good players to execute and somehow Kevin found good role players to support the their leaders.
I just don't think Rick can win more games in Washington.

[Chuck Everett]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

This actually isn't totally accurate. KP was actually pretty vocal in his time in Portland and regularly talked to the Portland media members who were covering the team at the time... to the point where it actually got him in hot water and basically got him fired when he tried using the media to backdoor go above his bosses head to try and get the President job and give his assistant GM Chad Buchanan the full time GM job. Ended up being a pretty big drama within the Blazers org for awhile. It's no coincidence that KP and Chad are now president and GM in Indy. Pacers were smart to poach them from Portland. It was not a good move by Pritchard at the time and irked Paul Allen enough to fire KP, but in the long-term thing, I wish they could have just handled it privately as even back in the day, I felt Pritchard was a pretty great GM. He was better than the President the Blazers had at the time, but that's still a **** way to get someones job.

If he's quiet now, that's likely why. KP learned his lesson with that.

I don't remember Pritchard being talked about much during his Portland days though either. I believe Nate McMillan was the coach as well. But I will cede to your knowledge of the situation there.

[DusterBuster]

Kevin Pritchard is a pretty quiet exec for the most part. He was even during his Portland days. And then factor in it's Indiana and you can't really expect people to talk about him. Also, Pacers ownership does not believe in tanking, so he could have never done a tear it down to the studs rebuild like Presti that lasts multiple years.

This actually isn't totally accurate. KP was actually pretty vocal in his time in Portland and regularly talked to the Portland media members who were covering the team at the time... to the point where it actually got him in hot water and basically got him fired when he tried using the media to backdoor go above his bosses head to try and get the President job and give his assistant GM Chad Buchanan the full time GM job. Ended up being a pretty big drama within the Blazers org for awhile. It's no coincidence that KP and Chad are now president and GM in Indy. Pacers were smart to poach them from Portland. It was not a good move by Pritchard at the time and irked Paul Allen enough to fire KP, but in the long-term thing, I wish they could have just handled it privately as even back in the day, I felt Pritchard was a pretty great GM. He was better than the President the Blazers had at the time, but that's still a **** way to get someones job.

If he's quiet now, that's likely why. KP learned his lesson with that.

I don't remember Pritchard being talked about much during his Portland days though either. I believe Nate McMillan was the coach as well. But I will cede to your knowledge of the situation there.

He was talked about quite a bit, at least locally since he was so media friendly. Got some national attention once they won the Oden/Durant draft.

But yeah, he basically caused a small mutiny / coup in the front offices. Larry Miller, previous Nike exec, was the President at the time they tried to backroom get fired so KP could take his job and Buchanan could get the GM job. Pacers basically took advantage of that situation, and thats how KP, Chad and even Nate for a short stint all got back into the NBA after the messy Blazers divorce.

[deepeeenn]

This actually isn't totally accurate. KP was actually pretty vocal in his time in Portland and regularly talked to the Portland media members who were covering the team at the time... to the point where it actually got him in hot water and basically got him fired when he tried using the media to backdoor go above his bosses head to try and get the President job and give his assistant GM Chad Buchanan the full time GM job. Ended up being a pretty big drama within the Blazers org for awhile. It's no coincidence that KP and Chad are now president and GM in Indy. Pacers were smart to poach them from Portland. It was not a good move by Pritchard at the time and irked Paul Allen enough to fire KP, but in the long-term thing, I wish they could have just handled it privately as even back in the day, I felt Pritchard was a pretty great GM. He was better than the President the Blazers had at the time, but that's still a **** way to get someones job.

If he's quiet now, that's likely why. KP learned his lesson with that.

I don't remember Pritchard being talked about much during his Portland days though either. I believe Nate McMillan was the coach as well. But I will cede to your knowledge of the situation there.

He was talked about quite a bit, at least locally since he was so media friendly. Got some national attention once they won the Oden/Durant draft.

But yeah, he basically caused a small mutiny / coup in the front offices. Larry Miller, previous Nike exec, was the President at the time they tried to backroom get fired so KP could take his job and Buchanan could get the GM job. Pacers basically took advantage of that situation, and thats how KP, Chad and even Nate for a short stint all got back into the NBA after the messy Blazers divorce.

I don’t remember the details exactly but Larry Miller was incompetent.

KP was a pretty decent GM for the period, he did however build an ego from the ‘06 draft trades that acquired Roy/LMA (and decently hyped Joel Freeland). Then the ‘07 draft that also got them the draft rights to Rudy Fernandez in addition to picking Oden #1. Then having a pretty good ‘08 draft. He got a lot of talk because of, at the time, how well he drafted and was building the team. Though, he whiffed on not trading Raef Lafrentz’ expiring contract (RIP RLEC) for a good piece.

Rumors were he started asking for the world during trade talks and was starting to get shunned by other GMs.

[hugepatsfan]

You can say the lack of attention has been due to the small market factor, but it's not like IND was particularly worth talking about during his tenure either. He took over in 17-18... they had 3 straight 1st round losses with the last 2 being sweeps. Then they missed the playoffs for 3 years straight. Last year they had the run to the Conf. Finals, and probably didn't get enough credit for it TBH, but it was also a team coming out of nowhere that beat a MIL team without Giannis/Dame for some of the games and then NYK with a bunch of injuries too so it wasn't exactly crazy to think they were kind of fluky. Even now most are surprised by their run.

Carlisle stands out as a guy to shower with praise because there's already track record. OP compared him to Presti and while OKC had their down years tanking he had already built a reputation of building deep playoff run teams to start in OKC and there was the freakish amount of picks they accumulated which made for interesting storyline to follow. Pritchard has built pretty low-key and there really weren't any results for 6 years.

[DusterBuster]

I don't remember Pritchard being talked about much during his Portland days though either. I believe Nate McMillan was the coach as well. But I will cede to your knowledge of the situation there.

He was talked about quite a bit, at least locally since he was so media friendly. Got some national attention once they won the Oden/Durant draft.

But yeah, he basically caused a small mutiny / coup in the front offices. Larry Miller, previous Nike exec, was the President at the time they tried to backroom get fired so KP could take his job and Buchanan could get the GM job. Pacers basically took advantage of that situation, and thats how KP, Chad and even Nate for a short stint all got back into the NBA after the messy Blazers divorce.

I don’t remember the details exactly but Larry Miller was incompetent.

KP was a pretty decent GM for the period, he did however build an ego from the ‘06 draft trades that acquired Roy/LMA (and decently hyped Joel Freeland). Then the ‘07 draft that also got them the draft rights to Rudy Fernandez in addition to picking Oden #1. Then having a pretty good ‘08 draft. He got a lot of talk because of, at the time, how well he drafted and was building the team. Though, he whiffed on not trading Raef Lafrentz’ expiring contract (RIP RLEC) for a good piece.

Rumors were he started asking for the world during trade talks and was starting to get shunned by other GMs.

Yeah, Larry Miller sucked.

This is also accurate that KP rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in the GM circles towards the end of. Also didn’t help matters.

Things just got messy and KP starting drinking his own farts too much.

[Raps in 4]

Because he stays out of the picture. He's been one of the best NBA executives since his Portland days.