Boston wants to move Simons, per Wiretap

Post #1 » by **magee** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:29 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons

Where would be a good landing spot for him?

HadAnEffectHere · Post #2 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:38 pm

Utah gets: Kuzma and a 2031 Bucks swap
Milwaukee gets: Simons
Boston gets: Utah TPE.

(this is probably more than Simons is worth, may have to put protections on the swap but then it becomes questionable in value to the Jazz)

pipfan · Post #3 » by **pipfan** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:44 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Utah gets: Kuzma and a 2031 Bucks swap
Milwaukee gets: Simons
Boston gets: Utah TPE.

(this is probably more than Simons is worth, may have to put protections on the swap but then it becomes questionable in value to the Jazz)

Is this enough for Utah to take on 2 years of Kuzma?

Great deal for Milw
Bos can add value, right?

ball_takes23 · Post #4 » by **ball_takes23** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:48 pm

Phx for Grayson Allen

Boston sheds salary, Phx gets a Beal replacement

Post #5 » by **magee** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:50 pm

ball_takes23 wrote:Phx for Grayson Allen

Boston sheds salary, Phx gets a Beal replacement

Might have to wait until the buy out is announced next to see if it drops Phoenix below the second apron? Right now they can't take back more salary with Beal still on the books for his big deal.

Wolveswin · Post #6 » by **Wolveswin** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:09 pm

Tough to make salary work and need to wait until Simons can be aggregated, but…

White/Simons for Randle/DDV/Conley

Celtics need to add some value.

sca · Post #7 » by **sca** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:18 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Tough to make salary work and need to wait until Simons can be aggregated, but…

White/Simons for Randle/DDV/Conley

Celtics need to add some value.

Why would the Celtics do this?

Wolveswin · Post #8 » by **Wolveswin** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:21 pm

sca wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Tough to make salary work and need to wait until Simons can be aggregated, but…

White/Simons for Randle/DDV/Conley

Celtics need to add some value.

Why would the Celtics do this?

Why wouldn’t they?

Sixers in 4 · Post #9 » by **Sixers in 4** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:24 pm

More evidence this was a bad deal for Portland. If Boston wants to move Anfernee Simons afterwards that is straight up telling you they feel he has more value than Jrue around the NBA.

MavsDirk41 · Post #10 » by **MavsDirk41** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:27 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Tough to make salary work and need to wait until Simons can be aggregated, but…

White/Simons for Randle/DDV/Conley

Celtics need to add some value.

Boston doesnt want Randle and their not giving up White for this haul. White is almost untouchable.

andalusian · Post #11 » by **andalusian** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:33 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:More evidence this was a bad deal for Portland. If Boston wants to move Anfernee Simons afterwards that is straight up telling you they feel he has more value than Jrue around the NBA.

Or that they think it is easier to dump his salary because he is expiring.

Portland wanted an upgrade defensively at guard (which they got) and didn't care about the salary because their books are pretty clean.

Seems like a good deal for both teams, Boston had to shed salary and are willing to pay with talent, the reverse is true for Portland. Portland has a chance for very good defense going forward

giannis and 1 · Post #12 » by **giannis and 1** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:33 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Utah gets: Kuzma and a 2031 Bucks swap
Milwaukee gets: Simons
Boston gets: Utah TPE.

(this is probably more than Simons is worth, may have to put protections on the swap but then it becomes questionable in value to the Jazz)

Bucks decline.

Sixers in 4 · Post #13 » by **Sixers in 4** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:36 pm

andalusian wrote:
Sixers in 4 wrote:More evidence this was a bad deal for Portland. If Boston wants to move Anfernee Simons afterwards that is straight up telling you they feel he has more value than Jrue around the NBA.

Or that they think it is easier to dump his salary because he is expiring.

Portland wanted an upgrade defensively at guard (which they got) and didn't care about the salary because their books are pretty clean.

Seems like a good deal for both teams, Boston had to shed salary and are willing to pay with talent, the reverse is true for Portland. Portland has a chance for very good defense going forward

People just don't want to admit they were wrong that is fine. Portland got an older player who won't help them other than win a couple extra games more than they should and will eat up capspace which could have been used to acquire assets.

DusterBuster · Post #14 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:41 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:More evidence this was a bad deal for Portland. If Boston wants to move Anfernee Simons afterwards that is straight up telling you they feel he has more value than Jrue around the NBA.

I’m still pretty sus on the Portland deal as well, but that being said, we should wait to see what / if anything, they get for Simons.

Also, this could just be them calling to get an idea about his value. They likely don’t want to resign him, so this is more likely the Celtics calling to get a baseline idea of his trade value for a potential deadline move. If they know what teams already have interest, they can reach back out to them in-season.

As for trade value, Simons should be much easier to move than Jrue, they got lucky Portland was actually motivated and interested in taking him on since they are hoping to replicate the CP3 in OKC situation for Scoot. But Simons expiring deal likely will hamper his value as he’s likely just a rental for most teams.

The Celtics need to find a team who’s motivated to trade for AND resign him (or work a extend and trade) to get the best value.

Simons is an interesting test case imo. He's kind of in the middle class that’s getting killed with the new CBA. He's has an elite scoring talent and can shoot from anywhere, but he’s not proven to be a near All Star caliber player. This 20-25mil is probably what he should stay at, but he’s probably going to expect more in the 30 range, which pushes him into overpaid. Not sure who’s out there that wants to foot that bill for a guy who’s a elite shooter, decent passer, piss-poor defender and somewhat injury prone.

DusterBuster · Post #15 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:43 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:
andalusian wrote:
Sixers in 4 wrote:More evidence this was a bad deal for Portland. If Boston wants to move Anfernee Simons afterwards that is straight up telling you they feel he has more value than Jrue around the NBA.

Or that they think it is easier to dump his salary because he is expiring.

Portland wanted an upgrade defensively at guard (which they got) and didn't care about the salary because their books are pretty clean.

Seems like a good deal for both teams, Boston had to shed salary and are willing to pay with talent, the reverse is true for Portland. Portland has a chance for very good defense going forward

People just don't want to admit they were wrong that is fine. Portland got an older player who won't help them other than win a couple extra games more than they should and will eat up capspace which could have been used to acquire assets.

Agree with it or not, the Blazers have been clear they traded for Jrue to be a lockerroom leader (which they haven’t had since Dame got traded) and mentor specifically to Scoot. This was their explicit reasoning for the trade. Not me trying to justify it, just repeating what they said. To them, that was worth his salary…

I’m on the fence it’s really worth it, but just have to wait and see.

andalusian · Post #16 » by **andalusian** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:44 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:
andalusian wrote:
Sixers in 4 wrote:More evidence this was a bad deal for Portland. If Boston wants to move Anfernee Simons afterwards that is straight up telling you they feel he has more value than Jrue around the NBA.

Or that they think it is easier to dump his salary because he is expiring.

Portland wanted an upgrade defensively at guard (which they got) and didn't care about the salary because their books are pretty clean.

Seems like a good deal for both teams, Boston had to shed salary and are willing to pay with talent, the reverse is true for Portland. Portland has a chance for very good defense going forward

People just don't want to admit they were wrong that is fine. Portland got an older player who won't help them other than win a couple extra games more than they should and will eat up capspace which could have been used to acquire assets.

I don't know what there is to admit, all statistical evidence shows that jrue, even at his age, is a better player than Simons and he fits the defensive identity Portland wanted. Simons is an inconsistent shooter that when he is hot can win you a game, but he is a lot more likely to be the worst defender on your team.

I like Simons a lot - but he has very real limitations. He is a great shooter and he can create for himself, but to ignore the fact that on average, he has been a negative for winning where jrue has been a positive for winning is not something I am going to do

Add the fact that the blazers already knew what they would look like with Simons as their lead offensive guard and did not think it was the way forward. This clears the way for Sharpe to see if he is the future of Portland's backcourt scorer or if they need to look elsewhere.

They hope they can up their defense and give the offense to Deni and Sharpe

DusterBuster · Post #17 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:47 pm

giannis and 1 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Utah gets: Kuzma and a 2031 Bucks swap
Milwaukee gets: Simons
Boston gets: Utah TPE.

(this is probably more than Simons is worth, may have to put protections on the swap but then it becomes questionable in value to the Jazz)

Bucks decline.

Bucks would be insane to decline this, especially if there’s protections on the swap. They get out of a terrible Kuzma contract and get a guard who can replace some of what they lost in waiving Lillard.

Maybe they can move the swap out for a couple of second rounders instead?

Post #18 » by **165bows** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:48 pm

Brad Stevens seemed very chill about salaries at his press conference yesterday. Feel like this is prob overstated a bit.

I'm sure they'll trade him if and when a decent deal comes up but I'd put this in the same boat as the Jrue/KP deals. It'll get done when it gets done.

JujitsuFlip · Post #19 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:50 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Tough to make salary work and need to wait until Simons can be aggregated, but…

White/Simons for Randle/DDV/Conley

Celtics need to add some value.

Terrible trade idea.

UcanUwill · Post #20 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:51 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
giannis and 1 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Utah gets: Kuzma and a 2031 Bucks swap
Milwaukee gets: Simons
Boston gets: Utah TPE.

(this is probably more than Simons is worth, may have to put protections on the swap but then it becomes questionable in value to the Jazz)

Bucks decline.

Bucks would be insane to decline this, especially if there’s protections on the swap. They get out of a terrible Kuzma contract and get a guard who can replace some of what they lost in waiving Lillard.

Maybe they can move the swap out for a couple of second rounders instead?

MIL definitely takes this deal, they win this trade easily. I am not sure about other teams tho.