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See the link above. It's a really cool project where posters rank what they believe are the greatest peaks in NBA history, and you are required to post analysis/justification for your selection.

I've already learned more about the game from that thread, especially regarding advanced statistics. The breakdowns in the thread are top notch. I look forward to casting my vote and making a case. Voting ends at 12 PM EST, so cast your votes soon!

Last chance folks! Cast your votes!

Let the underrating of Bird begin again!

Same thing every year.

SNPA wrote:Let the underrating of Bird begin again!

Same thing every year.

Good. He's started to become overrated by some people here. I've read multiple people claim that he may be the best offensive player ever on his prime. He's obviously an all time great, but he's not a top 5 all time peak guy.

ScrantonBulls wrote:

SNPA wrote:Let the underrating of Bird begin again!

Same thing every year.

… he's not a top 5 all time peak guy.

On cue…

Apparently the mid 80’s are in a time-warp unable to be recalled by many posters. Often the same posters who praise Jokic and his peak.

I’ll leave it at this…take a look at MVP voting from Bird’s rookie year through his injury plagued final years. He didn’t just win three in a row, he dominated over a longer time. Dominated. As in domination. Peak.

The PC forum where Garnett is ranked in the top 10 lol? Hilarious

PC forum has a mix of the best posters on the board and the most biased stans cloaking their fandom to boost their guy. Hard to really care about the outcome but the responses from the best are fun to read. Unfortunately it has grown heavily in the cloaked stan side the past few years.

SNPA wrote:

ScrantonBulls wrote:

SNPA wrote:Let the underrating of Bird begin again!

Same thing every year.

… he's not a top 5 all time peak guy.

On cue…

Apparently the mid 80’s are in a time-warp unable to be recalled by many posters. Often the same posters who praise Jokic and his peak.

I’ll leave it at this…take a look at MVP voting from Bird’s rookie year through his injury plagued final years. He didn’t just win three in a row, he dominated over a longer time. Dominated. As in domination. Peak.

Cool. Nobody is saying he isn't an all time great. There are guys named Michael Jordan, LeBron James, and Kareem who easily had better peaks. Especially when your factor in defense. Then you have guys like Shaq, Magic, Steph, Wilt, Russell, Duncan who you can make a case have better peaks. I never see lists with him in the top 5 GOAT rankings. Why is it so egregious to say he doesn't have a top 5 peak?

MavsDirk41 wrote:The PC forum where Garnett is ranked in the top 10 lol? Hilarious

Why not give the Peak Project a shot? Seeing opinions you disagree with won't hurt you.

MavsDirk41 wrote:The PC forum where Garnett is ranked in the top 10 lol? Hilarious

Where if you say anything positive about Kobe you get dogpiled.

Someone should start a thread "Recently on the PC forum..."

Recently on the PC forum, I learned that prime MJ = SGA-lite.

Can't wait for them to educate us again on peaks.

VanWest82 wrote:Someone should start a thread "Recently on the PC forum..."

Recently on the PC forum, I learned that prime MJ = SGA-lite.

Can't wait for them to educate us again on peaks.

Imagine taking one persons opinion and generalizing it to a large group of people. That's like me saying (based on the quote in my signature) "I learned that the General Boarders think Jordan and the Bulls beat the Pistons in 1989. Can you believe that?!"

That's some good thinking right there Van.

I'm not a pc forum regular, but I do enjoy the host of jilted posts in this thread.

Sounds like some walked into debates and had their ingrained biases tested. No surprises you wouldn't like that!

I like that in these projects you can't get away with logic of 'just cause' or blanket statements about players based on 'feelings' or...nostalgia.

Sure some are set in their ways and hostage to overly formulaic approaches to player assessment. But overall the depth of thought, time committed to a topic and willingness to test some conventional narratives/mistruths is exactly what is missing from discussion elsewhere on RealGM.

Watch these dudes rank 2021 Giannis in the top 15, while Kobe—who was at least as good and impactful—doesn't even make the top 20. Lmao

JimmyFromNz wrote:I'm not a pc forum regular, but I do enjoy the host of jilted posts in this thread.

Sounds like some walked into debates and had their ingrained biases tested. No surprises you wouldn't like that!

I like that in these projects you can't get away with logic of 'just cause' or blanket statements about players based on 'feelings' or...nostalgia.

Sure some are set in their ways and hostage to overly formulaic approaches to player assessment. But overall the depth of thought, time committed to a topic and willingness to test some conventional narratives/mistruths is exactly what is missing from discussion elsewhere on RealGM.

“Pc board is bad because my favorite is ranked low”

It’s honestly hilarious. The amount of time, effort and love put into both breaking down and crunching numbers, and just raw tape study a lot of the contributors do is amazing, and has helped push basketball forward.

bill walton - 1977> thru 60games into '78

experience-wise the youngest starting lineup to ever win a ring
walton - 2
lucas - 2
hollins - 1
gross - 1
twardzik - 4

considered by some nostalgically as the best all around season by a center.
to show everyone that '77 was no fluke, portland started out 1978 50-10 until walton got hurt, and the went the remainder of the season 8-24. that extrapolates to a 68+ season with a healthy walton. at that pace the blazers would have been there with the 67 sixers and the 71lakers, both with wilt

it's my all-time WHAT IF

some context...walton/lucas/hollins/gross combined had the experience of sga in an era when players were not being drafted out of high school

MJ vs Lebron...now with more stats and "justification". Cant wait to give it a read.

Quattro wrote:MJ vs Lebron...now with more stats and "justification". Cant wait to give it a read.

It's pretty hilarious to see the mental gymnastics some people are doing to make lists that exclude Jordan or conversely LeBron (though I noticed more omitting Jordan, which is just absolutely nuts) just to try to put their chosen guy over the top.

People were literally trying to say Duncan bad a better peak than Jordan...

NO-KG-AI wrote:

JimmyFromNz wrote:I'm not a pc forum regular, but I do enjoy the host of jilted posts in this thread.

Sounds like some walked into debates and had their ingrained biases tested. No surprises you wouldn't like that!

I like that in these projects you can't get away with logic of 'just cause' or blanket statements about players based on 'feelings' or...nostalgia.

Sure some are set in their ways and hostage to overly formulaic approaches to player assessment. But overall the depth of thought, time committed to a topic and willingness to test some conventional narratives/mistruths is exactly what is missing from discussion elsewhere on RealGM.

“Pc board is bad because my favorite is ranked low”

It’s honestly hilarious. The amount of time, effort and love put into both breaking down and crunching numbers, and just raw tape study a lot of the contributors do is amazing, and has helped push basketball forward.

Not sure who specifically you're referring to, but my gripe is that the "my player" guys pollute the great ideas/charting that the supremely awesome guys start conversations on. It would be cool if there was sometimes some locked threads for those top level stat guys, and we could all just enjoy the high level discussion.

SNPA wrote:Let the underrating of Bird begin again!

Same thing every year.

Seriously. It’s borderline disrespectful.