The race to a new European league is fascinating

[zimpy27]

This probably starts with existing European leagues right now not taking advantage of their exisiting market enough.

But the trigger seems to be Maverick Carter and LeBron James looking to build a basketball competition in Europe earlier this year. Rumours are they have a few top NBA players on board and some wealthy backers.

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

Then we have top European talents like Luka and Giannis saying they'd play in Europe recently, plus Jokics manager seems to now be a consultant for LeBron and Mav Carters plans for Europe.

Even though we have little information this feels like it might get spicy.

Feels like we're heading towards what was basketball in the US in the 70s with ABA and NBA, but for Europe. Eventually one will buy out the other. But I can we from an investment stance the value of just trying.

Keen to hear thoughts on how people think this will play out.

[LakersLegacy]

As a free agent destination
Wemby forces trade to Paris

Giannis demands trade to Greece

[SomeBunghole]

This probably starts with existing European leagues right now not taking advantage of their exisiting market enough.

But the trigger seems to be Maverick Carter and LeBron James looking to build a basketball competition in Europe earlier this year. Rumours are they have a few top NBA players on board and some wealthy backers.

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat).

You think a slightly fancier BIG3 proposal by a player closer to 60 than to 20 is the reason for this?

[zimpy27]

As a free agent destination
Wemby forces trade to Paris

Giannis demands trade to Greece

Potentially yes

[zimpy27]

This probably starts with existing European leagues right now not taking advantage of their exisiting market enough.

But the trigger seems to be Maverick Carter and LeBron James looking to build a basketball competition in Europe earlier this year. Rumours are they have a few top NBA players on board and some wealthy backers.

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat).

You think a slightly fancier BIG3 proposal by a player closer to 60 than to 20 is the reason for this?

No I don't

[jayu70]

This probably starts with existing European leagues right now not taking advantage of their exisiting market enough.

But the trigger seems to be Maverick Carter and LeBron James looking to build a basketball competition in Europe earlier this year. Rumours are they have a few top NBA players on board and some wealthy backers.

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

Then we have top European talents like Luka and Giannis saying they'd play in Europe recently, plus Jokics manager seems to now be a consultant for LeBron and Mav Carters plans for Europe.

Even though we have little information this feels like it might get spicy.

Feels like we're heading towards what was basketball in the US in the 70s with ABA and NBA, but for Europe. Eventually one will buy out the other. But I can we from an investment stance the value of just trying.

Keen to hear thoughts on how people think this will play out.

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[LuDux1]

October 2021: The NBA planning a European Conference with FIBA?
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2130912&p=94193727&hilit="NBA+europe"#p94193727

August 2024: NBA Exploring Starting New Tournament Or League In Europe
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2399008&hilit=%26quot%3BNBA+europe%26quot%3B

[sisibilio]

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

The NBA and euroleague are not combining. As of today it's an NBA venture alongside FIBAEurope that would probably kill for good the bertoleague.
Just some current Euroleague teams will be offered a spot in the newly created NBA Europe (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Milano...) but that's it.

[Mirotic12]

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

The NBA and euroleague are not combining. As of today it's an NBA venture alongside FIBAEurope that would probably kill for good the bertoleague.
Just some current Euroleague teams will be offered a spot in the newly created NBA Europe (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Milano...) but that's it.

Bayern and Milan are under contract with EuroLeague and that has been confirmed.

There are conflicting reports about Bracelona. Some reports say they have signed and are under contract with EuroLeague, while some reports say they decided to stay with EuroLeague and sign a contract, but it just hasn't been finalized.

Real Madrid is the only team that according to reports has not signed with EuroLeague.

That would make Real Madrid the only team eligible to join NBA Europe.

[wegotthabeet]

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

The NBA and euroleague are not combining. As of today it's an NBA venture alongside FIBAEurope that would probably kill for good the bertoleague.
Just some current Euroleague teams will be offered a spot in the newly created NBA Europe (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Milano...) but that's it.

Sure, but how once they make the jump how long will it be until other clubs want to do the same?

The NBA should just expand to Europe. Force everyones hand.

[LuDux1]

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

The NBA and euroleague are not combining. As of today it's an NBA venture alongside FIBAEurope that would probably kill for good the bertoleague.
Just some current Euroleague teams will be offered a spot in the newly created NBA Europe (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Milano...) but that's it.

Where do you think other 10+ teams would come from?

[sisibilio]

Paris for sure but they were talking about a new team, not the Euroleague one. London, maybe Berlín or Rome. Lyon is in the conversation for the Tony Parker ownership but i'm not sure. Athens is a tricky one, hard to imagine PAO or Oly fans rooting for the other team, It should be a new club i guess.

[dirkdiggler4177]

If you are starting a league, 3 on 3 basketball is where you have to go. Much more flexible and not in directly competion with the NBA yet. Going up against nba and euroleague is though. You have to pay huge amount of money to get any good and nobody will watch because its not the best. Its hopeless. Even the player themself could not start their own league because they panic as soon as money is not coming in.

[jokeboy86]

This probably starts with existing European leagues right now not taking advantage of their exisiting market enough.

But the trigger seems to be Maverick Carter and LeBron James looking to build a basketball competition in Europe earlier this year. Rumours are they have a few top NBA players on board and some wealthy backers.

Since then we've now suddenly heard of NBA and euroleague combining (which I think has happened in the shadow of the above threat). The NBA effectively want to set up an NBA Euro team league to keep the world's best talent in their pool.

Then we have top European talents like Luka and Giannis saying they'd play in Europe recently, plus Jokics manager seems to now be a consultant for LeBron and Mav Carters plans for Europe.

Even though we have little information this feels like it might get spicy.

Feels like we're heading towards what was basketball in the US in the 70s with ABA and NBA, but for Europe. Eventually one will buy out the other. But I can we from an investment stance the value of just trying.

Keen to hear thoughts on how people think this will play out.

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Wonder if they're pivoting because this is going to be much easier too. I think Carter and Paul(and by extension Lebron) want to do what any elite pro basketball player in the US has always wanted and that's a league that truly pays them what they're worth. The agents of elite players like Lebron, Giannis, and before them Jordan and Kobe have probably felt their clients have never been paid what they've been worth and that's even now with the salary cap increases over time. I think these agents have always looked at what the top baseball guys get or what the top global football(soccer) players get and have felt a certain way over time. Problem is the NBA has basically made it impossible for a rival league that could have higher salaries to get any traction or let alone startup. That's not the case as far as the WNBA.

Even though the Unrivaled league is not really a true rival of the WNBA what has probably made the WNBA nervous is the salary(minimum salary 6 figures, highest current WNBA player annual salary $252,450 ). I think Carter and his investors know that the new CBA talks for the WNBA are going to get ugly and even with a new CBA the league still probably can't afford to raise salaries all that much. Even with a new CBA there will probably still be some star players not satisfied with the new max salary amounts. I think the Unrivaled league showed the formula and the path and how easy it would be to probably poach or recruit the future and up and coming elite women's players for a new league. Wouldn't surprise me if some current elite players are willing to make the jump too.

I also think it's not a coincidence that Carter is trying to get this started in time for when a certain women's player from USC(who he's affiliated with) is ready to turn pro.

[SomeBunghole]

Wonder if they're pivoting because this is going to be much easier too. I think Carter and Paul(and by extension Lebron) want to do what any elite pro basketball player in the US has always wanted and that's a league that truly pays them what they're worth. The agents of elite players like Lebron, Giannis, and before them Jordan and Kobe have probably felt their clients have never been paid what they've been worth and that's even now with the salary cap increases over time. I think these agents have always looked at what the top baseball guys get or what the top global football(soccer) players get and have felt a certain way over time. .

25-year-old Erling Haaland is paid about 36 million dollars a year. 41-year-old LeBron who is currently out with sciatica stands to make 52 million this year. Not sure what you think top footballers make, but it's actually less than what NBA players make. Mo Salah is making as much as Devin Vassell.

[LakersLegacy]

Logistically it’s planned similar to a music concert tour.

The Lakers already do this type of road trip when the Grammys come to Los Angels.

It won’t be challenging to pull it off, what will be challenging is keeping teams in Oklahoma City when they can expand to Jerusalem, Paris, Edinburgh, York, Rome, Venice, Corinth… when players may prefer to travel their instead

I have family from Oklahoma and it can be good, but after a tornado and after leaving Seattle, the Europe expansion has the potential to take teams from USA

[sisibilio]

It's gonna be a separate league, european teams are not joining the full fledged NBA anytine soon.
Logístics would be a nightmare but It could be worked out if It was financially viable, which is not.

[Shaka_Zulu]

Wonder if they're pivoting because this is going to be much easier too. I think Carter and Paul(and by extension Lebron) want to do what any elite pro basketball player in the US has always wanted and that's a league that truly pays them what they're worth. The agents of elite players like Lebron, Giannis, and before them Jordan and Kobe have probably felt their clients have never been paid what they've been worth and that's even now with the salary cap increases over time. I think these agents have always looked at what the top baseball guys get or what the top global football(soccer) players get and have felt a certain way over time. .

25-year-old Erling Haaland is paid about 36 million dollars a year. 41-year-old LeBron who is currently out with sciatica stands to make 52 million this year. Not sure what you think top footballers make, but it's actually less than what NBA players make. Mo Salah is making as much as Devin Vassell.

NBA players definitely make more then footballers.



But difference is NBA players salaries are reported before tax. The football players ones are usually reported after tax, their net salary.


But it's usually just nearly retired Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo who severely out earn NBA stars. And that's mainly due to endorsement deals, besides their insane net salaries past decade.


Mbappe in Real Madrid is closing in to those levels too.

[-Luke-]

25-year-old Erling Haaland is paid about 36 million dollars a year. 41-year-old LeBron who is currently out with sciatica stands to make 52 million this year. Not sure what you think top footballers make, but it's actually less than what NBA players make. Mo Salah is making as much as Devin Vassell.

Yeah, over the years I've read multiple times that NBA players are envious of football/soccer players and I have no idea where that is coming from. Most of the best soccer players in the world make NBA role player money. Like Josh Giddey's new contract is about Harry Kane level and Kane is the best paid player in the Bundesliga. The best paid players at Eintracht Frankfurt make 3-3.5 mil. a year and that's a club that won the Europa League a few years ago and played Champions League twice while being a top 5 club in of the of top 5 European leagues. That's literally veteran's minimum level in the NBA.

The only advantage football clubs have is they can pay signing fees. But who knows what NBA players get paid under the table even aprt from Kawhi.

[Chuck Everett]

If Maverick Carter's spearheading it, expect it to fail. Lebron been propping this dude up for a long time.