Future basketball trivia All Stars from today’s era

[Godymas]

Dudes that will be random All Stars but not have noteable careers.

Think, Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas (yes srsly), DeAndre Jordan (still in the league, but who cares)

Couple of names that pop up

Bam Adebayo
Bradley Beal
Andre Drummond

we already see Kemba erasure

Basically a name you throw out and some person that never watched them play says “yo don’t underestimate prime Beal, dude was a BUCKET”

Also Bam Adebayo is so lucky his jersey is already retired for Dan Marino. Never has to have that awkward convo.

[UcanUwill]

I am international Basketball fan, so, firstly, I will remember Goran Dragic forever for his 2017 run. Second, I do not want to underestimate any NBA all star player, because I know how great that achievement is in grand scheme of things.

But ok, if I looked at it from NBA perspective, Lauri comes to mind instantly. I personally think he is very underrated, but that just means others do not think he is that good, and he is number one active NBA player with msot games played with zero play off appearances. I think he can be great player on a great team, but clock is ticking with that guy and he is still on the Jazz...

[Maxthirty]

Ja Morant

[DavidSterned]

Most of them, TBH. Outside of the MVP guys and guys who won rings or otherwise leave some enduring cultural impact.

Look back on the 70s, 80s, and 90s and you find plenty of good to great all star level guys who just don't get talked about anymore (e.g. Dan Roundfield, Walter Davis, Kiki Vandeweghe, Glen Rice, Hersey Hawkins).

Having the more casual fans remembering a dude decades later really is more the exception than the rule.

[Bad Bart]

Lumping Bam in with Drummond and Beal is foul work.

[Godymas]

Lumping Bam in with Drummond and Beal is foul work.

At age 27 Beal was a 3x All star

At age 27 Bam is a 3x All Star, and also seems to be getting worse offensively in the post Jimmy Butler era

[NZB2323]

Brook Lopez is still the all-time leading scorer for the Nets.

I’ll also never forget this statistical trivia graphic:

[tamaraw08]

Lumping Bam in with Drummond and Beal is foul work.

At age 27 Beal was a 3x All star

At age 27 Bam is a 3x All Star, and also seems to be getting worse offensively in the post Jimmy Butler era

Bam is a good player but I just can't imagine him having the same impact if he was drafted by bad organizations like the Wizards, Charlotte or Kings,

[NZB2323]

Lumping Bam in with Drummond and Beal is foul work.

At age 27 Beal was a 3x All star

At age 27 Bam is a 3x All Star, and also seems to be getting worse offensively in the post Jimmy Butler era

Bam is a good player but I just can't imagine him having the same impact if he was drafted by bad organizations like the Wizards, Charlotte or Kings,

You could say that for a lot of players. Horace Grant, Siakam, Iggy, Jrue Holiday, Al Horford, Rondo…what do they really accomplish if they spent their whole career on teams like the Wizards, Hornets, or Kings?

Actually, Bam would be perfect for the Kings. I wonder if we’d ever see a Sabonis-Bam trade?

[tamaraw08]

At age 27 Beal was a 3x All star

At age 27 Bam is a 3x All Star, and also seems to be getting worse offensively in the post Jimmy Butler era

Bam is a good player but I just can't imagine him having the same impact if he was drafted by bad organizations like the Wizards, Charlotte or Kings,

You could say that for a lot of players. Horace Grant, Siakam, Iggy, Jrue Holiday, Al Horford, Rondo…what do they really accomplish if they spent their whole career on teams like the Wizards, Hornets, or Kings?

Actually, Bam would be perfect for the Kings. I wonder if we’d ever see a Sabonis-Bam trade?

Bam at 20 years old just averaged under 7 pts/5 rebs and 3 years later was putting up 19pts/9 rebs with Miami, the same team that found and developed guys like Hassan Whiteside, Haslem, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Kendrick Nunn etc etc etc.
The Kings? the same organization that drafted Willy Cauley Stein and Marvin Bagley and Marquiss Chriss?
The point is Miami have really prioritized hiring the most competent trainers who would dedicate so much time and effort in developing their players while teams like the Kings would just be picking the best prospects and simply let them sink and swim. At times they would get alphas like Fox and Cousins but most of the time, these young kids would fail to improve on their craft.

[bkkrh]

Most of them, TBH. Outside of the MVP guys and guys who won rings or otherwise leave some enduring cultural impact.

Look back on the 70s, 80s, and 90s and you find plenty of good to great all star level guys who just don't get talked about anymore (e.g. Dan Roundfield, Walter Davis, Kiki Vandeweghe, Glen Rice, Hersey Hawkins).

Having the more casual fans remembering a dude decades later really is more the exception than the rule.

This. And the further you go back, the lesser amount of players people remember.

From the 60s the common players people remember are Russell, Wilt, Jerry West and Big O. Maybe Elgin Baylor.

Is Bob Pettit a commonly known player? He won 2 MVPs and made 10 All NBA 1st and 1 All NBA 2nd team in 11 seasons in the league.

Same goes for the 70s. Players like John Havlicek, Elvin Hayes and Rick Barry are pretty unknown in comparison to their accomplishments.

Even for the 80s, Moses Malone is constantly being forgotten and left out when it comes to great Center discussions. Isiah Thomas won 2 titles, 1 Finals MVP, made 12 All Star and 5 All NBA teams in 13 seasons and can be happy if he gets a honorable mention in PG discussions.

Sidney Moncrief Alex English, Adrian Dantley, most people bellow 40 probably know them through 2k if they actuall have heard of them.

[Tim Kempton]

Al Horford, Kyle Lowry, and DeMar Derozan will probably be discussed in "you'll never believe these guys have 5+ ASG appearances" conversations.

Vucevic, Ingram, and VanVleet will come up in random conversations as 1-2x all-stars that nobody remembers.

[NZB2323]

Bam is a good player but I just can't imagine him having the same impact if he was drafted by bad organizations like the Wizards, Charlotte or Kings,

You could say that for a lot of players. Horace Grant, Siakam, Iggy, Jrue Holiday, Al Horford, Rondo…what do they really accomplish if they spent their whole career on teams like the Wizards, Hornets, or Kings?

Actually, Bam would be perfect for the Kings. I wonder if we’d ever see a Sabonis-Bam trade?

Bam at 20 years old just averaged under 7 pts/5 rebs and 3 years later was putting up 19pts/9 rebs with Miami, the same team that found and developed guys like Hassan Whiteside, Haslem, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Kendrick Nunn etc etc etc.
The Kings? the same organization that drafted Willy Cauley Stein and Marvin Bagley and Marquiss Chriss?
The point is Miami have really prioritized hiring the most competent trainers who would dedicate so much time and effort in developing their players while teams like the Kings would just be picking the best prospects and simply let them sink and swim. At times they would get alphas like Fox and Cousins but most of the time, these young kids would fail to improve on their craft.

What do you mean the Heat “found” Bam? He wasn’t hidden in a 3rd world country. He was a 5 star recruit out of high school, played for Kentucky, won the SEC tournament, and made it to the elite 8 in the NCAA tournament.

And he averaged better per game stats when he was 23 and getting 30+ minutes per game than when he was 20 and getting less than 20 minutes per game?

If you look at per minute stats, Fox grew more in Sacramento from 20 to 23 than Bam did in Miami.

20 Fox: 11.2 PER
23 Fox: 20.7 PER

20 Bam: 15.7 PER
23 Bam: 22.7 PER

And the Kings got more out of Sabonis than OKC or Indy ever did.

[GrindCityHustle]

Brook Lopez is still the all-time leading scorer for the Nets.

I’ll also never forget this statistical trivia graphic:

Someone who played fantasy basketball must have looked this up originally. Thad was a deep league keeper

[tamaraw08]

You could say that for a lot of players. Horace Grant, Siakam, Iggy, Jrue Holiday, Al Horford, Rondo…what do they really accomplish if they spent their whole career on teams like the Wizards, Hornets, or Kings?

Actually, Bam would be perfect for the Kings. I wonder if we’d ever see a Sabonis-Bam trade?

Bam at 20 years old just averaged under 7 pts/5 rebs and 3 years later was putting up 19pts/9 rebs with Miami, the same team that found and developed guys like Hassan Whiteside, Haslem, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Kendrick Nunn etc etc etc.
The Kings? the same organization that drafted Willy Cauley Stein and Marvin Bagley and Marquiss Chriss?
The point is Miami have really prioritized hiring the most competent trainers who would dedicate so much time and effort in developing their players while teams like the Kings would just be picking the best prospects and simply let them sink and swim. At times they would get alphas like Fox and Cousins but most of the time, these young kids would fail to improve on their craft.

What do you mean the Heat “found” Bam? He wasn’t hidden in a 3rd world country. He was a 5 star recruit out of high school, played for Kentucky, won the SEC tournament, and made it to the elite 8 in the NCAA tournament.

And he averaged better per game stats when he was 23 and getting 30+ minutes per game than when he was 20 and getting less than 20 minutes per game?

If you look at per minute stats, Fox grew more in Sacramento from 20 to 23 than Bam did in Miami.

20 Fox: 11.2 PER
23 Fox: 20.7 PER

20 Bam: 15.7 PER
23 Bam: 22.7 PER

And the Kings got more out of Sabonis than OKC or Indy ever did.

Never did I said Miami "found" Bam and I guess it's fine to nitpick certain stats like PER to support your point about growth, but let me ask you again,
what the freak happened to the King's other HIGH draft picks like Stauskas, Bagley, WCS, Chriss, Mitchell etc etc.
Now compare that to the NUMEROUS undrafted guys Miami found and developed, even the ones they drafted like Winslow and Richardson etc.
How many undrafted players did the Sacamento Kings developed in the past 10 years?

[NZB2323]

Bam at 20 years old just averaged under 7 pts/5 rebs and 3 years later was putting up 19pts/9 rebs with Miami, the same team that found and developed guys like Hassan Whiteside, Haslem, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Kendrick Nunn etc etc etc.
The Kings? the same organization that drafted Willy Cauley Stein and Marvin Bagley and Marquiss Chriss?
The point is Miami have really prioritized hiring the most competent trainers who would dedicate so much time and effort in developing their players while teams like the Kings would just be picking the best prospects and simply let them sink and swim. At times they would get alphas like Fox and Cousins but most of the time, these young kids would fail to improve on their craft.

What do you mean the Heat “found” Bam? He wasn’t hidden in a 3rd world country. He was a 5 star recruit out of high school, played for Kentucky, won the SEC tournament, and made it to the elite 8 in the NCAA tournament.

And he averaged better per game stats when he was 23 and getting 30+ minutes per game than when he was 20 and getting less than 20 minutes per game?

If you look at per minute stats, Fox grew more in Sacramento from 20 to 23 than Bam did in Miami.

20 Fox: 11.2 PER
23 Fox: 20.7 PER

20 Bam: 15.7 PER
23 Bam: 22.7 PER

And the Kings got more out of Sabonis than OKC or Indy ever did.

Never did I said Miami "found" Bam and I guess it's fine to nitpick certain stats like PER to support your point about growth, but let me ask you again,
what the freak happened to the King's other HIGH draft picks like Stauskas, Bagley, WCS, Chriss, Mitchell etc etc.
Now compare that to the NUMEROUS undrafted guys Miami found and developed, even the ones they drafted like Winslow and Richardson etc.
How many undrafted players did the Sacamento Kings developed in the past 10 years?

What does the Heat finding and developing undrafted guys have to do with Bam, who was a lottery pick? Bam was a lottery pick who was producing at an above average level as 20 year old and his team was better with him on the floor when he was 21 years old his 2nd year.

The Heat didn’t teach Bam how to rebound and defend. He learned how to do that when he was in elementary school.

[tamaraw08]

What do you mean the Heat “found” Bam? He wasn’t hidden in a 3rd world country. He was a 5 star recruit out of high school, played for Kentucky, won the SEC tournament, and made it to the elite 8 in the NCAA tournament.

And he averaged better per game stats when he was 23 and getting 30+ minutes per game than when he was 20 and getting less than 20 minutes per game?

If you look at per minute stats, Fox grew more in Sacramento from 20 to 23 than Bam did in Miami.

20 Fox: 11.2 PER
23 Fox: 20.7 PER

20 Bam: 15.7 PER
23 Bam: 22.7 PER

And the Kings got more out of Sabonis than OKC or Indy ever did.

Never did I said Miami "found" Bam and I guess it's fine to nitpick certain stats like PER to support your point about growth, but let me ask you again,
what the freak happened to the King's other HIGH draft picks like Stauskas, Bagley, WCS, Chriss, Mitchell etc etc.
Now compare that to the NUMEROUS undrafted guys Miami found and developed, even the ones they drafted like Winslow and Richardson etc.
How many undrafted players did the Sacamento Kings developed in the past 10 years?

What does the Heat finding and developing undrafted guys have to do with Bam, who was a lottery pick? Bam was a lottery pick who was producing at an above average level as 20 year old and his team was better with him on the floor when he was 21 years old his 2nd year.

The Heat didn’t teach Bam how to rebound and defend. He learned how to do that when he was in elementary school.

My original point was that while I recognize that Bam is a very good player, I am not sure he would have had the same impact if he was drafted by bad teams.
Good players can still thrive and grow on their own with bad teams but it's my opinion that guys Bam was put in a much better position to succeed because of very hardworking trainers and coaches finding ways to maximize their strengths and mask their weaknesses.