Kevin McHale had KG/AD-level defensive versatility (guarded MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Dominique, Dr. J, Isiah, Moses, Kareem)

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Kevin McHale had KG/AD-level defensive versatility (guarded MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Dominique, Dr. J, Isiah, Moses, Kareem) 

Post#1 » by FrodoBaggins » Sat Jan 10, 2026 3:37 am

I made a thread about this in the Player Comparison forum half a year ago, and it's only been viewed 177 times. So I thought it'd be worth sharing on the General Board, as many NBA fans are truly unaware of just how versatile a defender Kevin McHale was before his foot injury. If I said that he could credibly defend guys like MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Dominique, Dr. J, etc, most wouldn't believe it.


The more game footage I watch, the more impressed I come away with Kevin McHale's defensive versatility. I just watched a January 1987 game against Chicago where he switched on to Michael Jordan several times, blocking him at least three times in isolation. He even willingly guarded him one-on-one in the clutch, showing an almost KG-like mentality for the challenge.

I've collected a number of GIFs of McHale defending various players across different positions. I'll continue to add GIFs over time. Right now, for me, he's legitimately Anthony Davis-like defending outside & different positions from what I've seen. He doesn't quite have his mobility, but he's an equally quick jumper (maybe a little quicker), and has a notable wingspan and standing reach advantage, which gives him a greater defensive radius & margin for error concerning positioning.


Vs. Michael Jordan (SG)

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Vs. Charles Barkley (PF/SF)

Tom Heinsohn, PHI @ BOS, March 16, 1986 wrote:McHale is the perfect type of player to guard Charles Barkley. He's big enough and has long arms enough that he can stay way off of Barkley, and when Barkley puts it on the floor, still get a piece of the ball when he shoots it.

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He's got to make near-perfect offensive moves to beat McHale.

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Kevin McHale, as I said before, is the ideal player; he is so tall with the long arms, he can back off and not let Barkley really gain a speed advantage over most of the forwards that play against him.

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He played a fine game and did a pretty decent job—I'd say more than decent—on Charles Barkley.


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Vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (C)

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Vs. Dominique Wilkins (SF)

Bob Cousy, BOS @ ATL, Game 3 ECSF, 1986 wrote:The key piece of strategy on KC's part in this entire playoffs up till now: changing the matchup, putting Kevin McHale on Dominique. I don't think Dominique's recovered from the shock yet, and hopefully he won't start tonight. But it's completely neutralized the NBA's leading scorer in Dominique. He averaged 30 a game during the season; he's averaging 16.


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Vs. Orlando Woolridge (SF)

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Vs. Ron Harper (SG/PG)

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Vs. Julius Erving (SF/SG)

Bob Cousy, PHI @ BOS, Game 2 ECF, 1981 wrote:McHale did a pretty good job defensively on J last night.


Bob Cousy, PHI @ BOS, Game 2 ECF, 1982 wrote:I'll tell you, J is working hard, but he's not getting that much accomplished. McHale is making it tough for him.


Tom Heinsohn, PHI @ BOS, January 20, 1985 wrote:McHale with the long arms and terrific leaping ability, he goes right up there and knocks the ball away from Dr. J. Dr. J normally gets that shot off against anybody he wants, but not against McHale.


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Vs. Isiah Thomas (PG)

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Vs. Derek Harper (PG)

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Vs. Mark Aguirre (SF)

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Vs. Moses Malone (C)

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Vs. Bernard King (SF)

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Vs. Kareem (C)

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Vs. Ralph Sampson (C/PF)

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5x All-Star, 3x All-NBA SF/SG Marques Johnson talking about being guarded by rookie Kevin McHale (1980-81):


“You like to test a guy like him out,” said Bucks All-Star forward Marques Johnson, who played man-to-man against the rookie. “You want to see what he can and can’t do. You have a check list. Definitely. You’re working it through your mind.”

Where is Kevin McHale vulnerable? Where is he strong? What can you do against Kevin McHale? What can’t you do? What does he like to do? What doesn’t he like to do? Johnson said he worked the whole list, question by question.

“One thing you learn early against him,” Johnson said, "is that you’re going to have to take him outside. He must have exceptionally long arms. It doesn’t look as if he jumps that high, but he’s always got those arms in front of you, making you alter your shot. It’s almost impossible to get through him on the inside.


A couple of quotes from two highly respected posters on another forum (InsideHoops):

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McHale injured his foot that season and was never quite the same defender. This young McHale could switch onto perimeter guys about as effectively as any big I've ever seen, like in the KG range. I think McHale is criminally underrated, not in terms of historically, like achievement wise, but in terms of skill set. I would personally take him over Barkley and Karl Malone. And because of his post game consistency, I could be talked into over KG, from a team building perspective, if you caught me on the right night. His numbers just don't pop because of the quality of team he played on. The only real weakness is he wasn't a great passer. It was in him. You'd see it in spots. But there was so much ball going around on that team, and he was so good in the post, that when it did get into him, it didn't often come out. I think he could stretch his range out some, and would be a more willing passer in a different setting, and would be a great center in the modern game, because he'd score super efficiently with the spacing, and he'd be super switchable defensively.


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Since longevity wont help me in any single game....id take Mchale in his prime over Malone in his for a number of reasons. Hes more likely to get me a good shot on command and he can guard pretty much anyone between 6'4'' and 7'5'' other than the people nobody can guard(Shaq types).

He doesnt rank higher than Malone for quite a few reasons. Doesnt mean he couldnt do as much or more for a team setup to make use of him.

If you had offense enough to not need to play through him so much that his ball stopping would turn your guys into do nothings...hes a weapon.

Karl needs a little more to go right on a play to get his best look. And he can play defense....and beat up guards who challenge him...but I cant rely on him to slow down as many people. And Mchale can get a shot he can make at least half the time on any touch inside 15 feet hes not doubled.

Karl Malone probably shot 40% or so on shots that were not spoonfed. May have been worse than that at some points. Ive read articles showing he got assisted on like 75-80% of his shots for good periods of time and if hes shooting 50-52%....how much of that is quick layups around the rim Stockton dropped off that he shoots 80% on?

Karl could score. Especially when he had his jumper going. But id feel better going to Mchale if I needed 2-3 shots to extend a late lead or stop a run...at least if I didnt have a great guy setting either one up.

I want my scorers to be whatever the situation may be scorers. Cant count on everything going right scorers. Mchale is a very good broken play "Just get out of the way...." scorer.

He cant pass like Karl and when Karl is on hes a better scorer too. But as a guy to give the ball and assume they bail me out? Id want Kevin. And there are a lot of options when you have a guy who can defend like 70% of the NBA if he has to.

Id like to see what Kevin does longterm if a team is built to make best use of him.
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Re: Kevin McHale had KG/AD/Noah-level defensive versatility (guarded MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Dominique, Dr. J, etc) 

Post#2 » by Black Jack » Sat Jan 10, 2026 4:21 am

Was there ever a standing reach measurement for McHale?
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Re: Kevin McHale had KG/AD/Noah-level defensive versatility (guarded MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Dominique, Dr. J, etc) 

Post#3 » by FrodoBaggins » Sat Jan 10, 2026 4:44 am

Black Jack wrote:Was there ever a standing reach measurement for McHale?

Nope. There was an unofficial measurement (9'5") from an old forum post that circulated, but it's bunk because it includes measurements of other players we know are incorrect. Shaq didn't have a 9'8" standing reach; it was 9'5", confirmed pre-NBA Draft. Also, his vertical was 36" and his max reach was 12'5". Ralph Sampson absolutely did not have a 9'11" standing reach. He was 7'1" to 7'2" barefoot, with proportionately short arms and a long neck.

McHale's probably somewhere in the 9'5" to 9'8" range. Freakishly long arms, small head, very high-set shoulders, extremely flexible joints. Some comparables:

John Riek: 6'10.5" barefoot, 7'8.75" wingspan, 9'10" standing reach
DeMarcus Cousins: 6'9.5" barefoot, 7'5.75" wingspan, 9'5" standing reach
DeAndre Jordan: 6'9.75" barefoot, 7'6" wingspan, 9'5.5" standing reach
Roger Zaki: 6'10.25" barefoot, 7'5" wingspan, 9'6.5" standing reach
Mark Williams: 7'0" barefoot, 7'6.5" wingspan, 9'9" standing reach
Rudy Gobert: 7'0.5" barefoot, 7'8.75" wingspan, 9'9" standing reach

Kevin McHale: 6'10" barefoot, 8'0" wingspan, ??? standing reach

The 8-foot wingspan seems implausible, but he looked incredibly long-armed and abnormally wide-shouldered. The Hall of Fame used to have a picture of him where you could compare your wingspan to his (96 inches) in the early 2000s. This is the same interactive picture they've had for Kevin Durant and Giannis Antetokounmpo in recent years.


https://www.jstor.org/stable/43610628

...as compared to the 96-inch span of former player Kevin McHale...


We also have a number of players/athletes with similar "ape indexes," so 8-foot at 6'10" is possible:

Chandler Lawson: 6'7", 7'7" wingspan, 9" long hands (+12?)
BeeJay Anya: 6'7" to 6'8" barefoot, 7'9" wingspan (+13 to +14)
JoJo Tugler: 6'6" barefoot, 7'6.5" wingspan (+12.5)
Ilimane Diop: 6'11" in shoes/6'9.89" without, 7'11" wingspan (+13)
William "The Refrigerator" Perry: 6'3" tall, 88" wingspan (+13)
Malliciah Goodman: 6'3" tall, 87.68" wingspan (+12.68)

The old unreliable posts:

https://www.sfd.pl/Granica_Wyskoku_Czy_istnieje__-t63770-s5.html#post-724025 (Written by February 2, 2003 18:08)


Here are some data:
The first measurement is the maximum reach of the arms, the second is the highest point they can touch from a PLACE, and the third is of courseREACHING JUMP

NBA NOW

Kobe Bryant 8'10", 12'0", 38 in (269 cm – 365 cm – 96.5 cm)
Shaq O’neal 9'8", 12'4", 32 in. (295 cm – 376 cm – 81 cm)
Vince Carter 8'11", 12'6", 43 in.(272 cm – 381 cm – 109 cm)
Karl Malone 9'2", 11'6", 28 in.(280 cm – 350 cm) – 71 cm)
Steve Francis 8'5", 11'9", 40 in.(257 cm – 358 cm – 102 cm)
Antonio McDyess 9'2", 12'3", 37 in.(279 cm – 373 cm – 94 cm)
Lamar Odom 9'1", 11'9", 32 in. (277 cm – 358 cm – 81 cm)
Desmond Mason 38in. (96.5 cm)
Allen Iverson 41in (104 cm)

NBA OLD

Michael Jordan 8'10", 12'5", 43 in. (269 cm – 378 cm – 109 cm)
Dominique Wilkins 9'0", 12'6", 42 in.(274 cm – 381 cm – 107 cm)
Larry Nance 9'4", 12'8", 40 in.(284 cm – 386 cm) – 102 cm)
Dr. J 8'11", 12'4", 41 in.(272 cm – 375 cm - 104 cm)
Ralph Sampson 9'11", 12'11", 36 in.(302 cm – 393 cm – 91 cm)
Spud Webb 7'4", 11'2", 46 in.(223 cm – 340 cm – 117 cm)
Stansbury 8'8", 12'2", 42 in.(254 cm – 371 cm – 107 cm)
Woolridge 9'1", 12'3", 38 in.(277 cm – 373 cm – 96.5 cm)
Shawn Kemp 9'3", 12'7", 40 in.(282 cm - 384 cm – 102 cm)
Magic Johnson 9'1", 11'7", 30 in.(277 cm - 353 cm – 76 cm)
Daryl Dawkins 9'4", 12'2", 34 in.(284 cm ) – 370 cm – 86 cm)
Larry Bird 9'1", 11'5", 28 in.(277 cm – 348 cm – 71 cm)
Kevin McHale 9'5", 11'8", 27 in.(287 cm – 355 cm – 69 cm)
Dee Brown 8'2", 11'10", 44 in.(249 cm – 360 cm – 112 cm)
Harold Miner 8'5", 12'1", 44 in.(257 cm – 368 cm – 112 cm)
Robert Pack 8'3", 11'7", 40 in.(251 cm) – 353 cm – 102 cm)
Hakeem Olajuwon 9'6", 12'6", 36 in.(290 cm – 350 cm – 91 cm)
David Thompson 8'6", 12'0", 42 in(259 cm – 366 cm – 107 cm)

NON-NBA

Micheal Wilson(GlobeTrotters) 55in (140 cm)
Reggie Thompson(Jumpsoles) 53in (135 cm)
Ronnie Fields(CBA) 48in (122 cm)
Melvin Levett 45in (114 cm)
Randy Moss(NFL) 51in (130cm)
Jevon Kearse(NFL) 40in (102cm)
Brandon Dean(NCAA_Arkansas) 39in (99cm)
Ant(Sky's The Limit Creator) 41in (104cm)
AirWhitey (Madups Creator) 41in (104cm)
Abdoulaye Bamba(Slam Nation) – (105 cm – 135 cm)
Dejan Ristic(Slam Nation) – (100 cm – 122 cm)
Salomon Sami (Slam Nation) – (100 cm – 125 cm)
Nasser Soule (Slam Nation) – (100 cm – 125 cm)
Gilles Tirilly(Slam Nation) – (100 cm – 125 cm)
Kadour Ziani – (105 cm – 147 cm)



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Here is a little info I have picked up online. I am only posting "real", tested, sourced stats. Not what you heard or anything like that.

This was from teams individual workouts over the summer, and for rookies. The fist number is their standing reach, the next is the height they can jump to from a standstill jump. The third number is their vertical leap. This is only one of the many ways to measure vertical leap. In my opinion there are two or three more reliable tests.


Kobe Bryant 8'10 12'0 38 in. -rookie-
Shaq Oneal 9'8 12'4 32 in.
Vince Carter 8'11 , 12'6 43 in. -rookie-
Karl Malone 9'2 11'6 28 in.
Steve Francis 8'5 11'9 40 in. -rookie-
Antonio McDyess 9'2, 12'3, 37 in. -rookie-
Lamar Odom 9'1 11'9 32 in. -rookie-
Desmond Mason 38in. -rookie-
Allen Iverson 41in. -rookie-


Michael Jordan 8'10, 43 in. -rookie-
Dominique Wilkins 9'0, 42 in. -rookie-
Larry Nance 9'4 12'8 40 in.
Dr. J 8'11 12'4 41 in.
Ralph Sampson 9'11 12'11 36 in.
Spud Webb 7'411'2 46 in. -rookie-
Terrence Stansbury 8'8 12'2 42 in.
Orlando Woolridge 9'1 12'3 38 in.
Shawn Kemp 9'3 12'7 40 in. -rookie-
Magic Johnson 9'1 11'7 30 in.
Daryl Dawkins 9'4 12'2 34 in.
Larry Bird 9'1 11'5 28 in.
Kevin McHale 9'5, 11'8 27 in.
Dee Brown 8'2 11'10 44 in.
Harold Miner 8'5 12'1 44 in.
Robert Pack 8'3 11'740 in.
Hakeem Olajuwon 9'6 12'6 36 in.
David Thompson 8'6 12'0 42 in



NON-NBA
James White(Cincinatti) 31in
Lebron James(High School Junior) 38in
Tim Lowe(Juco) 48in
Jameel Pugh(Sacremnto State) 48in
Micheal Wilson(GlobeTrotters) 55in
Reggie Thompson(Jumpsoles) 53in
Ronnie Fields(CBA) 48in
Melvin Levett (USBL) 45in
Randy Moss(NFL) 39in
Jevon Kearse(NFL) 40in
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Post#5 » by brutalitops » Sat Jan 10, 2026 1:25 pm

I thought about posting "no ****", But I absolutely agree

most people don't give him the credit he deserves, He was coming off the bench and was an all defence player, Would of started in pretty much any team he went to but was happy to come off the bench and play bigger minutes to win titles.

Then at the tail end his foot injuries kept him playing more of a bench role, fantastic defender
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Post#6 » by The Master » Sat Jan 10, 2026 1:38 pm

He could've been even a better defender than acknowledged for (DPOTY-level defender) in his prime days, since we now know what's the value of such versatility.
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Post#7 » by Joshyjess » Sat Jan 10, 2026 1:39 pm

In the eighties, McHale was one of my favorite players to watch (after Bird of course). One thing he did so incredibly well was he'd get a rebound, and never bring the ball down, before putting it back in. Sounds obvious, but he did it better than almost anybody else ever has. He also had some amazing footwork to normally find a way to get around whoever was guarding him.
His arms really were so long. We used to joke that he could scratch his ankles without having to bend over. It's funny because I am the exact opposite. My family often refers to my T-rex arms. :lol:
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Post#8 » by FrodoBaggins » Sat Jan 10, 2026 1:58 pm

Joshyjess wrote:In the eighties, McHale was one of my favorite players to watch (after Bird of course). One thing he did so incredibly well was he'd get a rebound, and never bring the ball down, before putting it back in. Sounds obvious, but he did it better than almost anybody else ever has. He also had some amazing footwork to normally find a way to get around whoever was guarding him.
His arms really were so long. We used to joke that he could scratch his ankles without having to bend over. It's funny because I am the exact opposite. My family often refers to my T-rex arms. :lol:

Yep. It's a unique trait that he shares with Jokic. I made a thread about it a few years back:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2340031&hilit=kevin+mchale#p109893394


One of the most valuable traits a big man can have is the ability to catch the ball high and go straight up. Many bigs have a tendency to have to bring the ball down before going back up, which dramatically increases the chance of being blocked or deterred.

Red Auerbach refered to it as playing "hands up." Some big men who are notable for this ability include George Mikan, Kevin McHale, Brad Daugherty, Tim Duncan, and Nikola Jokic.

Out of those players, I'd say McHale was the best ever at playing "above the head." He displayed it several times a game. Jokic would be second in my mind. I've always got the impression his water polo background played a factor. Water polo requires you to keep the ball high while you tread water. This GIF illustrates how good McHale was at playing "hands up":

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It may look like a simple move but you'd be surprised at how few big men can execute that play so effortlessly.
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Post#9 » by FrodoBaggins » Thu Jan 15, 2026 2:37 pm

Added two more stops against Woolridge from the 1986 Playoffs.

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Post#10 » by Infinite Llamas » Thu Jan 15, 2026 3:44 pm

Joshyjess wrote:In the eighties, McHale was one of my favorite players to watch (after Bird of course). One thing he did so incredibly well was he'd get a rebound, and never bring the ball down, before putting it back in. Sounds obvious, but he did it better than almost anybody else ever has. He also had some amazing footwork to normally find a way to get around whoever was guarding him.
His arms really were so long. We used to joke that he could scratch his ankles without having to bend over. It's funny because I am the exact opposite. My family often refers to my T-rex arms. :lol:


I remember when Boston got Vin Baker and Tommy Heinsohn would always complain how he brought the ball down so low after snagging an offensive rebound. Drove him crazy lol.
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Post#12 » by tsherkin » Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:29 am

McHale as a phenomenal defender, and an excellent play-finisher. And I don't mean in the "must be spoon-fed" way, but in the sense of the ball went in to him and you got high-efficiency scoring touches out of it. Not an insane playmaker, but he also didn't have to be on those Celtics teams. He was an incredible addition to the team. Versatile on D, nutso efficient and productive as a scoring threat (and scaled up well as his responsibility increased), the whole nine yards, so to speak.

Great player. And basically the whacky inflatable wavy arms dude in the flesh, lol.
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Post#19 » by Statlanta » Fri Jan 16, 2026 9:06 am

Handlez wrote:Most underrated player of all time.

I personally don’t think the most underrated player of all time would come in an era with footage on them. Especially playing for one of the most popular teams in sports history
The Greatest of All Time debate in basketball is essentially who has the greatest basketball resume of the player who has the best highlights instead of who is the best player
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Post#20 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Jan 16, 2026 3:07 pm

A story on McHale keeping the ball high is that he learned it in high school. His coach told the rest of the team to constantly harass McHale by trying to poke the ball away, although I don't recall this going to the football cliche extreme of teaching your RB ball security by having him carry a football around campus all day.

McHale must be one of the few HoFers ever to ask his high school coach to be one of his induction presenters.
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