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EAST:

Starters:
Chauncey Billups
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dwight Howard

Subs:
Chris Bosh
Paul Pierce
Caron Butler
Jose Calderon
Rip Hamilton
Josh Smith
Antawn Jamison

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WEST:

Starters:
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Amare Stoudemire

Subs:
Yao Ming
Steve Nash
Manu Ginobili
Carlos Boozer
Shawn Marion
Baron Davis
Allen Iverson


What do you guys think of his picks?

I don't think Ginobili should be on the list given that he has been gimpy a bit too much for my liking and Melo should make the list before Marion in my opinion.

I am a fan of Jose Calderon but.... lol, he isn't an allstar... just noticed that just right now.

jason kidd instead of jose calderon IMO

Carmelo instead of Ginobili

I'm a Raptors fan and love the attention Calderon is getting...but All-Star and "third best guard in the East" (as Hollinger declared him) is seriously overstating the case.

i am loving the pp pick because i think he deserves it, but i dunno where you can fit it but Brandon Roy needs consideration and so does Chris Kaman imo.

The East subs include 5 forwards, 2 guards, and no center. If I was building a team to win the game, I'd drop one of the forwards and add a real center. On the other hand, I can understand that the all-star nomination is more a reward for good play rather than an actual attempt at building a cohesive team.

But if you were really going up against Duncan and Yao, who would you rather have as your backup center: Josh Smith or Brendan Haywood? Take a look at the pace-adjusted per-40 stats:



Of course, it's probably unfair to send 3 Wizards and no Hawks, so maybe Haywood should replace Jamison.

Oh yeah, Kidd should definitely go instead of Calderon.

Haywood is silently having a great year... I don't think anyone outside of Washington has seen what he has given night in and night out.

Hollinger is an idiot pay no attention to him

josh howard should go over marion or ginobili, imo.

calderon? 11 & 8 are not all star numbers.

richard wrote:josh howard should go over marion or ginobili, imo.

calderon? 11 & 8 are not all star numbers.

Pardon my language but he gets a hard on with his PER stat....

It is a great stat, and useful but you can't use it as justification for a player playing just 28 mins as a legit allstar.

East:

G Kidd
G Wade
F James
F Garnett
C Howard

G Billups
G Carter
F Butler
F Jamison
C Bosh (out of position but no other Eastern center really should make it)
EX Pierce
EX Smith

West:

G Paul
G Bryant
F Nowitzki
F Duncan
C Ming

G Nash
G Iverson
F Marion
F Boozer
C Stoudemire
EX Davis
EX Anthony

richard wrote:josh howard should go over marion or ginobili, imo.

calderon? 11 & 8 are not all star numbers.

Hollinger is a stat guy, and Calderon's peripheral stats are ridiculous. Keep in mind, again, that I don't consider him an All-Star, but Calderon is basically Hollinger's wet dream: .580 TS%, top 20 in PER, best assist rate in the league (and best in six years), and on pace for what might be a historic season in ast:TO ratio (6.3:1 at the moment).

Why am I not surprised Kidd isn't in his ballot?

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Hollinger is a stat guy, and Calderon's peripheral stats are ridiculous. Keep in mind, again, that I don't consider him an All-Star, but Calderon is basically Hollinger's wet dream: .580 TS%, top 20 in PER, best assist rate in the league (and best in six years), and on pace for what might be a historic season in ast:TO ratio (6.3:1 at the moment).

Calderon AS/TO can be the best stat of the NBA history to be honest, the record is owned by Bogges with 5.94 AS/TO +70 games

How many games has Wade actually played in?

NetsForce wrote:How many games has Wade actually played in?

26 of 34. He's missed 8.

If Calderon had been starting all season his numbers would be around 15 and 10, surely they'd look much more appealing. Currently at 11 and 8, he'd probably get some backlash if he got in over a HOF'er like Kidd. But Kidd's offensive game has just been anemic this season, he's always made up for it with his assists and rebounding, but damn man, he's such a terrible shooter and inefficient scorer.

Hollinger is a fool I would love to see him even more fired then Coach Frank of the Nets but for him to not have any of the Big 3 in NJ make the allstar game is so damn funnyt.

If Jason Kidd and at least one of the other 2 RJ or VC don't make it then that's screwed up VC is putting up 22, 5.4 and 4.8 and the team is back to winning and will lead to a better record before the allstar game and he's been clutch as hell so I would take VC over Redd, Allen, Hamilton, Joe J, etc and if not VC RJ has been a beast 5th in scoring in the nba and the most FT's made and 2nd in attempts.

Rich Rane wrote:Why am I not surprised Kidd isn't in his ballot?

not a high enough PER i guess

calderon should be left off