Are there 10 teams in the west better than....

cjs55 · Post #1 » by **cjs55** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:04 pm

the third best team in the east?

You know the 10. But I'll list em anyways.

Portland
Denver
Utah
San Antonio
Dallas
Phoenix
Houston
N.O.
Golden State
Lakers

Are they all better? Than Orlando, Washington, Cleveland, Toronto, whomever you think the third best team in the East is. If not, which team is worse?

That's gotta be one of the most lopsided top-end for conferences ever. I realize that the east isn't doing that badly against the west this year: For that, I blame Minnesota and Seattle. But the difference in playoff quality is going to be staggering at this rate.

Jules Winnfield · Post #2 » by **Jules Winnfield** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:09 pm

No. Orlando is better than Houston, Utah, and Golden Stat and probably Portland too. Washington is better than Houston, Golden State and Portland.

Cleveland is a terrible team. If teams just stop Lebron in the fourth, they wouldn't be able to beat .500 teams. They've beaten Boston though, so that tells you what kinda player Lebron is.

Toronto can't beat any of those teams in seven games.

See http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... -080112-13

The Spurs, Suns, Lakers, and Mavs are better than any team in the East not named Boston and possibly Detroit.

travis minor · Post #3 » by **travis minor** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:10 pm

cjs55 · Post #4 » by **cjs55** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:14 pm

See http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime...-080112-13

I hadn't read that article before posthing this, I swear

Post #5 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:20 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:No. Orlando is better than Houston, Utah, and Golden Stat and probably Portland too. Washington is better than Houston, Golden State and Portland.

Cleveland is a terrible team. If teams just stop Lebron in the fourth, they wouldn't be able to beat .500 teams. They've beaten Boston though, so that tells you what kinda player Lebron is.

Toronto can't beat any of those teams in seven games.

See http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... -080112-13

The Spurs, Suns, Lakers, and Mavs are better than any team in the East not named Boston and possibly Detroit.

Cleveland actually has a much better record against teams in the West than they do against Eastern teams. And yes Cleveland has beaten Dallas, Boston and the Lakers

floris_ · Post #6 » by **floris_** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:21 pm

I would say yes but the Nets, Heat and Bulls all have the talent to turn that around.

Jules Winnfield · Post #7 » by **Jules Winnfield** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:28 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Cleveland actually has a much better record against teams in the West than they do against Eastern teams. And yes Cleveland has beaten Dallas, Boston and the Lakers

like I said, Lebron. Lebron has a bad game and its done. One player does not make a good team. Lebron is the second best player in the league though at 22, so it is a good foundation.

The_Believer · Post #8 » by **The_Believer** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:59 pm

The Wiz aren't better than GS, cuz the warriors beat the wiz earlier in the wiz homecourt and GS has a better record in the tougher conference.

Storm Surge · Post #9 » by **Storm Surge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:14 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:No. Orlando is better than Houston, Utah, and Golden Stat and probably Portland too. Washington is better than Houston, Golden State and Portland.

Cleveland is a terrible team. If teams just stop Lebron in the fourth, they wouldn't be able to beat .500 teams. They've beaten Boston though, so that tells you what kinda player Lebron is.

Toronto can't beat any of those teams in seven games.

See http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... -080112-13

The Spurs, Suns, Lakers, and Mavs are better than any team in the East not named Boston and possibly Detroit.

Are you talking about the same Washington team that got blown out by Houston's scrubs outside of Yao?

Orlando playing in a weakass conference and only being 2 games ahead of the 10th team in the West standings(houston)

G35 · Post #10 » by **G35** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:37 pm

Didn't Utah just beat Orlando last night? Orlando just lost 4 of 5 games in the West; losing to Houston, Sacramento, Denver and Utah.

Orlando has to regain some of the momentum they had earlier in the year because they are looking like a repeat of last year. It's just that Miami sucks so bad they don't have a fight for the division.........

Dtown84 · Post #11 » by **Dtown84** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:52 pm

I think Orlando is better than Golden State, Houston, and maybe Portland. There biggest problem is they can't win at home. 7-8? That's just sad.

Still that means 7 teams are better than the 3rd best team :-?

Least the finals should be watchable this year at least.

Post #12 » by **Spykes** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:56 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:No. Orlando is better than Houston, Utah, and Golden Stat and probably Portland too. Washington is better than Houston, Golden State and Portland.

Orlando is probably better than Portland. I'll give you that. Until they get Oden back to handle Howard, Orlando always have an advantage over Portland's weak interior play.

Washington, I couldn't disagree with more. Portland swept the season series with the Wizards last season, when they had a healthy Arenas. There's nothing to say Portland can't beat them this season. So saying "Washington is better than Portland" is just you pulling stuff outta your butt.

thierry · Post #13 » by **thierry** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:58 pm

I think New Jersey is better than Orlando..

Cevap · Post #14 » by **Cevap** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:25 pm

Cleveland-Lakers would be a good series

GreenWithEnvy · Post #15 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:32 pm

this thread is full of laughs...New Jersey has NO identity. They really aren't consistently better than ANYONE in the East. Cleveland-Lakers is a videogame series. Those teams are NOT getting to the finals. thats a laugh.
Washington will not be able to contest with teams in the playoffs because thats where the stars shine and as much as i love Caron Butler's game he isn't a guy that can take over a game. Neither is Jamison anymore.
Orlando is Andre Miller away from being completely legit in the East.

These threads make me laugh too because were essentially talking about 3rd-8th places because these teams have NO chance of beating Boston or Detroit in a 7 game series.

thierry · Post #16 » by **thierry** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:41 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:Neither is Jamison anymore.

Thats funny, considering Jamison is having the best year of his career.

Jules Winnfield · Post #17 » by **Jules Winnfield** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:45 pm

Spykes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Orlando is probably better than Portland. I'll give you that. Until they get Oden back to handle Howard, Orlando always have an advantage over Portland's weak interior play.

Washington, I couldn't disagree with more. Portland swept the season series with the Wizards last season, when they had a healthy Arenas. There's nothing to say Portland can't beat them this season. So saying "Washington is better than Portland" is just you pulling stuff outta your butt.

New York swept the season series with the Lakers last year; don't mean they can beat em in a series this year. Washington is better than their record indicates and they'd beat Portland in the playoffs.

Kobay · Post #18 » by **Kobay** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:46 pm

We cannot guarantee that any of those west teams are better than 3rd seed east team but at minimum they are even.

Boston
Detroit

rest of the east.

crzy · Post #19 » by **crzy** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:53 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:No. Orlando is better than Houston, Utah, and Golden Stat and probably Portland too. Washington is better than Houston, Golden State and Portland.

Cleveland is a terrible team. If teams just stop Lebron in the fourth, they wouldn't be able to beat .500 teams. They've beaten Boston though, so that tells you what kinda player Lebron is.

Toronto can't beat any of those teams in seven games.

See http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... -080112-13

The Spurs, Suns, Lakers, and Mavs are better than any team in the East not named Boston and possibly Detroit.

You must have missed this game GSW vs Wash 123-115

Post #20 » by **Spykes** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:57 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:New York swept the season series with the Lakers last year; don't mean they can beat em in a series this year. Washington is better than their record indicates and they'd beat Portland in the playoffs.

Again, you have no real evidence to support your claim. All you're doing is blindly stating your opinion as fact.