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Move over Mchale... Kerr to steal your thunder!

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:37 am
by mistatwo mayn
In watching the Suns this season, it is too easy to be greatly disappointed in the chemistry exhibited and the way the game is approached.

On one end, Phx has helped fuel the Trailblazers with multiple draft picks, moved one of their few legit big men, caused for their hustle player to play with less motivation (Marion), and has added one significant talent, whom is made out of glass.

Kerr needs to go before the franchise completely falls apart.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:41 am
by pillwenney
Kerr isn't just selling draft picks and giving away Kurt Thomas because he feels it would be best for the franchise. He is being heavily pressured to do this because his owner is very, very cheap. So it's not really Kerr's fault.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:42 am
by mistatwo mayn
Every team (well most) are battling the salary cap. But they have completed weakened their foundation; they sure as hell aint getting no younger.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:44 am
by OzzyAZ
It really has nothing to do with Kerr, Sarver (the owner) had D'Antoni doing the same crap while he was interim GM. And yes, the Suns have been getting progressively worse since Colangelo sold the franchise and the team's not-too-distant future seems gloomy.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:52 am
by RockTHECasbah
Kerr has only been GM for a short time. Their blunders (trading pick which becomes Deng) are neither the cause of Kerr nor Colangelo.

Re: Move over Mchale... Kerr to steal your thunder!

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:01 am
by Spykes
mistatwo mayn wrote:In watching the Suns this season, it is too easy to be greatly disappointed in the chemistry exhibited and the way the game is approached.

On one end, Phx has helped fuel the Trailblazers with multiple draft picks, moved one of their few legit big men, caused for their hustle player to play with less motivation (Marion), and has added one significant talent, whom is made out of glass.

Kerr needs to go before the franchise completely falls apart.


They also gave us a league leading 3pt shooter in James Jones.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:18 am
by CroesusDeluxo
yah dude that james jones is a real find dude. enjoy

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:48 am
by LIbullsfan
Kerr needs to pull a mchale and hook the bulls up with amare

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:14 am
by The Notic
LIbullsfan wrote:Kerr needs to pull a mchale and hook the bulls up with amare


I think the phrase, "Pull a McHale" needs to be a standard reference to any GM trading a star player back to the team he played for in exchange for scrubs.

This has to catch on.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:22 am
by amcoolio
I could tell by his yahoo.com column that Kerr doesn't know much about the NBA aside from whats on ESPN and TNT.

If he can be a GM, then I damn well know I can be a GM.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:37 am
by RockTHECasbah
Steve Nash for Rasho NESTEROVIC

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:37 am
by Harry10
RockTHECasbah wrote:Kerr has only been GM for a short time. Their blunders (trading pick which becomes Deng) are neither the cause of Kerr nor Colangelo.


rejecting the KG / Amare trade could be huge.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:05 am
by mistatwo mayn
If you have your big 3 in Amare, Marion, Nash (assuming they eat up 45 million collectively).... its ON YOU KERR to find them decent help at an AFFORDABLE PRICE.

Diaw needed to be moved (at his cost) as well as Banks (if he's not being used).

Terrible

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:08 am
by yunggunz
Kerr hasnt really made any moves on his own prerogative, so you cant blame him. All the money saving moves he was forced into.

And its to the point where if he makes a move, it has to be a big move. Because outside of the starting 5 and Barbosa, no one has value. But why would you trade the starting 5 when you are .5 games out of 1st?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:14 am
by snaquille oatmeal
amcoolio wrote:I could tell by his yahoo.com column that Kerr doesn't know much about the NBA aside from whats on ESPN and TNT.

If he can be a GM, then I damn well know I can be a GM.
a few more posts and you will be a realgm

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:57 am
by revprodeji
The Notic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I think the phrase, "Pull a McHale" needs to be a standard reference to any GM trading a star player back to the team he played for in exchange for scrubs.

This has to catch on.


Al Jefferson,(20/12) 2 1st rd draft picks(including our own) and expirings count as "scrubs" WOW. What a great basketball mind.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:58 am
by pillwenney
mistatwo mayn wrote:If you have your big 3 in Amare, Marion, Nash (assuming they eat up 45 million collectively).... its ON YOU KERR to find them decent help at an AFFORDABLE PRICE.

Diaw needed to be moved (at his cost) as well as Banks (if he's not being used).

Terrible


He didn't sign Banks or Diaw IIRC, so while Diaw is costing more, it's not really his fault. Nobody will trade expirings for Diaw, or a more valuable player, so what do you suggest? The same goes for Banks.

Between their starting 5 and Barbosa, they're spending about $53.6million. Assuming that those are all necessary pieces that leaves them something like $12-13million (if they want to stay under the cap) for 2-3 more solid bench guys (which would cost at the very least $11mil), and then they have to go over the luxury tax to fill out their roster. The big pieces that get in the way of that are Diaw and Banks like you mentioned. But those are D'Antoni's mistakes--not Kerr's. If they had been able to move Diaw for expirings last year (or maybe just hadn't re-signed him), they would have been able probably to hold on to Kurt. Then they would have Thomas and Skinner bringing solid enough D off the bench, and would have just needed probably a solid SG/SF off the bench. This also could have happened if their owner wasn't cheap as hell. But again, that is, in now way Kerr's fault.

As it is, Kerr turned James Jones and Kurt Thomas into Grant Hill and Brian Skinner for what was, in total a lot of saved money. He has frankly done a pretty good job given the circumstances. It's just a shame because when you're in a situation like Phoenix, your owner should be willing to spend as much as needed to win a championship.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:17 am
by WhateverBro
The Notic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I think the phrase, "Pull a McHale" needs to be a standard reference to any GM trading a star player back to the team he played for in exchange for scrubs.

This has to catch on.


Agreed.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:27 am
by Ballings7
The Notic wrote:any GM trading a star player back to the team he played for in exchange for scrubs.


How are any of those guys scrubs for Minnesota with their games, roles, contracts and still being in the league? As well as getting draft pick(s).

In comparision to KG? Well, I guess so, but Al Jefferson isn't.

Harry10 wrote:rejecting the KG / Amare trade could be huge.


I think that was also ownership related becuase of KG's contract situation. Also D'Antoni was not favoring of it from what he said about the trade rumors in the summer.

mitch wrote:If they had been able to move Diaw for expirings last year (or maybe just hadn't re-signed him), they would have been able probably to hold on to Kurt. Then they would have Thomas and Skinner bringing solid enough D off the bench,


But also the other factor was Kurt effecting the Suns offense where D'Antoni didn't quite like it. Skinner's cheaper and more mobile, athletic than Kurt, not nearly as good a jumpshooter, though.

mitch wrote:It's just a shame because when you're in a situation like Phoenix, your owner should be willing to spend as much as needed to win a championship.


Yeah.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:56 pm
by hermes
its not kerr's falut, just doing what the owners tell him to