if Howard, Bynum, Oden played in the 60s

otownflava21 · Post #1 » by **otownflava21** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:19 am

how would they pan out?

RockTHECasbah · Post #2 » by **RockTHECasbah** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:36 am

writerman would hail them the GOATs

MagicFan3 · Post #3 » by **MagicFan3** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:40 am

They'd be averaging Chamberlain/Russell numbers.

jzmagik · Post #4 » by **jzmagik** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:40 am

Are we to assume that they have the benefits of modern weight athletic and basketball training?

thamadkant · Post #5 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:43 am

Its a stupid scenario...

Built the way they are?

how about if they all grow up in the 50s and played ball in the 60s... then by that.. I'd say they'd be very very average as they rely a lot on coaches teaching them past great big men's moves... and if they grew up before these great big men, then they have no reference to study...

nor will they have the diet and exercise/gym regime that got them to have their bodies.. they'll still be 7 footers..but Bill Russell will eat them alive.. as Bill knew the game inside out and had instincts far above physical capabilities..

might as well ask... "What if MJ got a time machine to 1950, how many points will he average a game?"

How old are you asking this question??... 14?...15?

You have to realize... today the players are more athletes than basketball players... a lot of players were drafted because of their atheltic ability... big size and tremendous coordination for their size...

but if you watch "basketball" players.. like Hakeem.. Kareem for example.. those guys have moves.. have basketball know how.. they dominated with them...

CAE15 · Post #6 » by **CAE15** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:50 am

6'3, 6'1, still injured? HGH wasnt around back then was it?

10scott10 · Post #7 » by **10scott10** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:16 am

basically, if as is they went to back then, I feel oden would have the best carreer. the coaches back then would have required a knowledge of fundamentals to play, so i feel that bnoth bynum and dwight would be in the coaches dog house despite their talents.

GJense4181 · Post #8 » by **GJense4181** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:46 am

^Bynum's fundamentals are his biggest strength. At least, his work ethic and willingness to learn the game properly. Kareem Abdul Jabbar is his effing mentor, FFS.

MagicFan3 · Post #9 » by **MagicFan3** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:50 am

New Jazzy Nets wrote:6'3, 6'1, still injured? HGH wasnt around back then was it?

Post #10 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:20 am

thamadkant wrote:
You have to realize... today the players are more athletes than basketball players... a lot of players were drafted because of their atheltic ability... big size and tremendous coordination for their size...

but if you watch "basketball" players.. like Hakeem.. Kareem for example.. those guys have moves.. have basketball know how.. they dominated with them...

I hate this arugment...

How old are YOU?

Don't you realize that Hakeem was pretty much all size and athletic ability when he hit the league? He didn't even start playing basketball until he was 15 years old. He redshirted his first year at Houston, then barely played as a redshirt freshman. He spent time working out with Moses Malone.

But even after four years of college practices and three years of playing time and a summer with Moses Malone, he was still raw when he hit the league, relying primarily on instinct, power and his mobility to dominate until later in his career, when he started to develop the Dream Shake.

Kareem is a solid example, sure, but Hakeem is a BAD example because he was a player very much like Dwight is now, only he eventually developed into something much more.

NetsForce · Post #11 » by **NetsForce** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:21 am

They'd be the best big men in the league and have a couple of 100 point games on their resume.

hermes · Post #12 » by **hermes** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:25 am

New Jazzy Nets wrote:6'3, 6'1, still injured? HGH wasnt around back then was it?

i think it was meat and potatoes

Patterns · Post #13 » by **Patterns** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:27 am

10scott10 wrote:basically, if as is they went to back then, I feel oden would have the best carreer. the coaches back then would have required a knowledge of fundamentals to play, so i feel that bnoth bynum and dwight would be in the coaches dog house despite their talents.

Is this guy serious? Have you ever played basketball in your life? How about a pick up game? You don't have to have the best fundamentals to dominant. In a playground game, the biggest guy will always be picked first unless he plays like Kwame Brown because he controls the boards and put backs and he anchors the defense.

Bynum and Dwight would be the biggest centers out there. They won't sit in the dog house. They'd have HOF careers for sure.

That has to be one of the dumbest posts and analysis ever made on RealGM.

otownflava21 · Post #14 » by **otownflava21** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:57 am

thats for all the replies. what type of numbers do you think they could be putting up? who would have the most similar to wilts?

RTM · Post #15 » by **RTM** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:59 am

I thought Oden did play in the 60's?

HAHAHA HE LOOKS OLD I'M SO CLEVER

10scott10 · Post #16 » by **10scott10** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:27 am

Patterns wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Is this guy serious? Have you ever played basketball in your life? How about a pick up game? You don't have to have the best fundamentals to dominant. In a playground game, the biggest guy will always be picked first unless he plays like Kwame Brown because he controls the boards and put backs and he anchors the defense.

Bynum and Dwight would be the biggest centers out there. They won't sit in the dog house. They'd have HOF careers for sure.

That has to be one of the dumbest posts and analysis ever made on RealGM.

are we talking about the smae sixties.
becasue the ones i remember had wilt and russel to start out with.
then add in willis reed and walter bellamy.
throw in Nate Thurmond
and you have some pretty good center back then.

then remember with only 8 other teams in the league, you are going up against a good center almost every night compared to now here the league has few good centers.

seriosuly, there were good centers. not as many, but then again, there weren't as many teams for them to be playing on.

Patterns · Post #17 » by **Patterns** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:30 am

[quote="10scott10"][/quote]
Have you actually thought about why teams are drafting athletic beasts over all around fundamentally sound players?

Take Josh Smith and Luke Walton for example. Which one of these are more successful?

Howard is an MVP candidate in today's 32-team league and he's going to be in the dog house in the 60's? Think about your logic and you'll know how dumb of a statement you made.

I hate how people think that the 60's had more fundamentally sound players. With the exception of a few Kwame Browns and a few Gerald Greens here and there, the rest of the NBA is extremely fundamentally sound.

Post #18 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:32 am

Bynum needed some SERIOUS coaching to get to where he is now. He also wouldn't have had the option of coming out of HS, of course, so when he finally did hit the NBA, he'd have had 3 or 4 years of college experience behind him. Dwight, too. That means they'd be reasonably physically developed and would have 3 or 4 years of college coaching under the belts before they hit the NBA, which would likely have made them have a quicker rise against NBA competition.

Dwight, I'm pretty sure would have just merc'd people, I mean, he's just so strong and athletic there isn't anything you can really do about him.

Bynum would have taken a while to get going but if he did well in college (and he is pretty clearly receptive to coaching, at least re: his offensive skills if nothing else), he'd hit the league as a pretty effective player. Dunno about HOF career, certainly not as a guarantee but it's possible.

Still, he WOULD be facing Wilt and Russ 8 times a year and that'd not be easy... on the other hand, facing such competition that regularly would probably improve his play rather than diminish it.

Harry Heinous · Post #19 » by **Harry Heinous** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:35 am

RockTHECasbah wrote:writerman would hail them the GOATs

LakerFanMan · Post #20 » by **LakerFanMan** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:02 am

Without the 3 in the Key rule and the fact that he's nearly 7 foot, putting up 23/15 in this era, and he's athletic as hell, Dwight would average something like 30/20. He'd be putting up rediculous numbers. Bynum probably a 20/10 guy. The Jury is still out on Oden since he hasn't stepped on the court yet.