WC AS snubees

[asdfgh]

There was a discussion the other day about how bad the EC is and someone said that the WC snubees would probably end up being better than the EC All-Stars.
So make the best possible team of WC snubees and compare them to the EC All-Stars.

Davis/ D. Williams/ Parker
Ginobili/ K. Martin
Marion/ Howard
Camby/ Jefferson
Kaman/ Chandler/ Bynum

It was really hard to pick 12 players because there are so many good players in the West.
Who would you go with?

[CupcakeNoFillin]

Brandon Roy
Points: 19.4
Assists: 5.6
Rebound: 4.5
Steals: 0.9
EFF: +19

Baron Davis
Points: 22.3
Assists: 8.1
Rebound: 4.8
Steals: 2.5
EFF: +24

[541Blaza]

Brandon Roy
Points: 19.4
Assists: 5.6
Rebound: 4.5
Steals: 0.9
EFF: +19

Baron Davis
Points: 22.3
Assists: 8.1
Rebound: 4.8
Steals: 2.5
EFF: +24

[kandiking]

wow all those players would be in the ASG if they were in the east.

[crzy]

Brandon Roy
Points: 19.4
Assists: 5.6
Rebound: 4.5
Steals: 0.9
EFF: +19

Baron Davis
Points: 22.3
Assists: 8.1
Rebound: 4.8
Steals: 2.5
EFF: +24

Great sig

[Bucky O'Hare]

Brandon Roy
Points: 19.4
Assists: 5.6
Rebound: 4.5
Steals: 0.9
EFF: +19

Baron Davis
Points: 22.3
Assists: 8.1
Rebound: 4.8
Steals: 2.5
EFF: +24

Baron is like Marbury. Great numbers, but without nearly the impact one would think. He dominates the ball, thus the high number of assists, and is a shot chucker, hence the 22 ppg despite his poor 41/30 shooting percentages. His free throw shooting has went from lousy to excellent, but it's not enough. Not when your team's an 8th seed.

[TMACFORMVP]

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Baron is like Marbury. Great numbers, but without nearly the impact one would think. He dominates the ball, thus the high number of assists, and is a shot chucker, hence the 22 ppg despite his poor 41/30 shooting percentages. His free throw shooting has went from lousy to excellent, but it's not enough. Not when your team's an 8th seed.

Have you ever watched him play? He's one of the best leaders and fourth quarter players in the NBA. How many times can you say that about Marbury. Baron has absolutely dominated games this season, and his impact IMO goes beyond what his statistics say. He's been a Top 10 player in the NBA and third best PG in the NBA this season, and it's a crime he isn't an all-star.

[crzy]

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Baron is like Marbury. Great numbers, but without nearly the impact one would think. He dominates the ball, thus the high number of assists, and is a shot chucker, hence the 22 ppg despite his poor 41/30 shooting percentages. His free throw shooting has went from lousy to excellent, but it's not enough. Not when your team's an 8th seed.

Baron is shooting 42.4% while taking 6.6 threes per game. Brandon Roy is shooting 46%. When you adjust for three pointers attempted and look at the effective FG%. Baron Davis is shooting 48.8% and Brandon Roy is shooting 49.2%. Not exactly a monumental difference.

Baron has more points per game, more rebounds per game, more assists per game, more steals per game, and leads a team that has more wins.

There is absolutely no logical reason why Brandon Roy should be in the game ahead of him. Except that Brandon Roy is a young, up-and-coming star player with a good reputation, while Baron is perceived as a spoiled, injury-prone player.

[J~Rush]

There was a discussion the other day about how bad the EC is and someone said that the WC snubees would probably end up being better than the EC All-Stars.
So make the best possible team of WC snubees and compare them to the EC All-Stars.

Davis/ D. Williams/ Parker
Ginobili/ K. Martin
Marion/ Howard
Camby/ Jefferson
Kaman/ Chandler/ Bynum

It was really hard to pick 12 players because there are so many good players in the West.
Who would you go with?

All but the bolded ones I agree with. There are so many all star caliber players. The game really should be expanded to 15 on a roster, even though that would make playing time in the game itself rough. . .

[Blame Rasho]

I personally think that Stephan Jackson is more important to the Warriors than Davis.

[crzy]

I personally think that Stephan Jackson is more important to the Warriors than Davis.

As important as Stephen Jackson is to our team, both emotionally and in terms of on-court production, Baron Davis is our MVP.

Baron Davis is both our primary facilitator on offense, and our most consistent scoring threat. Stephen Jackson, shooting 40% on the season, is just too inconsistent on both offense and defense. If his shot is not falling, Jackson harms our offense as much as helps (4.2: 3.1 A/T ratio).

It's easy to point to the 0-6 start without Jackson, but the Warriors would have likely also lost the first six games without Baron, probably by wider margins as well.

[Fitz303]

This is tough because Davis is one of my favorite players and I wanted to see him in the game, but the crying over stats is pathetic. If you really want to go solely on stats, here... did you forget these ones??

Davis scores 3 more PPG
BD - 850 FG Attempts 42% FG
BR - 707 FG Attempts 46% FG

BD - 18 FG attempts Per Game
BR - 15.7 FG Attempts Per Game

Roy is a more efficient scorer, who just tends to not jack up as many shots per game yet let his teammates get involved. If he wants to shoot up another 2.3 shots per game, hes most likely going to get the 21 or 22 PPG, but its not the way he, nor the Blazers play.

Davis averages 2.5 more APG
BD - 2.91 TOpg
BR - 1.91 TOpg

While BD has more assists, Roy has less TOs. Their A/TO ratio is nearly identical (BD-3 BR-2.94), besides the fact that Roy isnt the main PG, but more like Stephen Jackson to the Blazers.

While Davis is a better 3pt shooter he is still not a great 3pt shooter by any means. he shoots up more than double the amount that Roy does (308 to 133) which is 2nd in attempts in the entire NBA. So while Davis can be a great help to his team, if hes off, he can also be a great detriment to his team (you know its true GSW fans). Roy is always the steadying hand for the Blazers, even if his shot isnt falling.

Stats dont tell the whole story so please get off the stats crap. Both were very deserving players and the coaches decided that Roy was the more deserving of the 2. All I know is that after every Blazers game, the other teams coach does nothing but praise Roy to no end. Coaches have a great respect for him, and thats why I believe he got the nod

[edfmx86]

wow all those players would be in the ASG if they were in the east.

i couldnt agree more

[tsherkin]

Davis is underrated as a point guard. His ball-dominance and relative inefficiency are one thing; I'm not a fan of him in a scoring role, not at all, but his playmaking skills are undeniable and should be described as such. They do not result from him "dominating the ball," that's just false.

Davis' biggest problem is that he believes he can shoot threes well enough to justify more than 2 or 3 attempts a game, and he's wrong. He needs to take about half as many threes as he takes now and that'd be a nice start... but that's not going to happen under Don Nelson and his "an open shot is a good one" policy, but he was always a chucker from downtown, so it's not like Nelson is really the issue.

Still, this year? The Warriors are on pace for something like 49 wins and they are presently looking to make the playoffs for the second consecutive season. Given that and his leadership position on the team, even putting aside Stephen Jackson's contributions, I think he is definitely someone who deserved All-Star consideration and I don't like Baron Davis as a player at all.

Over whom would I have selected him? Tough call; I'd still have taken Roy over him. I think Roy's impact on Portland is more significant than Baron's on the Warriors, personally, even though Roy isn't necessarily as impressive statistically. I'd have taken Baron as an extra guard over David West, I think. Given the size of the starting lineup and the other bigs on the bench, yeah, I'd have gone Baron over West.

I'd CERTAINLY have gone Kaman over West.

[Effigy]

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Baron is shooting 42.4% while taking 6.6 threes per game. Brandon Roy is shooting 46%. When you adjust for three pointers attempted and look at the effective FG%. Baron Davis is shooting 48.8% and Brandon Roy is shooting 49.2%. Not exactly a monumental difference.

Why would you adjust the shooting percentage to take Baron's 3's out? Doesn't taking shots you aren't good at factor in? Baron makes the poor decision of shooting too many 3's. I'm not going to factor that out.

Baron has better teammates than Roy does and they have basically the same record. Shouldn't Baron's team be significantly better because he has better teammates? Or does he not make his teammates better the way Roy does?

[rutheredfox]

i can't believe blazers fans think that roy is a better player than baron... it's seriously a complete joke. we are not picking the mvp of each team. obviously one can make an argument that roy is more important to blazers than baron is to the dubs... but we are picking all stars here. just for the excitment of the allstar game i'd take baron over any guard in the west and on top of that baron is having a better season, he hasn't missed a game this year... and warriors have a better record than the blazers. it's completely baffling that roy made it over baron. and i actually really like roy, i've liked him at washington and i appreciate him staying for 4 years and coming out, but tihs is ridiculous.

[jflipclip]

I think people completely dismissed the first post, in which the OP was trying to say, what team can you make with the WC AS snubs that could be better than the EC AS starting line-up, in which I would choose:
PG: D. Williams
SG: Ginobili
SF: Marion
PF: Al Jefferson
C: Camby

And if we're talking numbers, then Kaman or Camby > David West.

[crzy]

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Why would you adjust the shooting percentage to take Baron's 3's out? Doesn't taking shots you aren't good at factor in? Baron makes the poor decision of shooting too many 3's. I'm not going to factor that out.

Baron has better teammates than Roy does and they have basically the same record. Shouldn't Baron's team be significantly better because he has better teammates? Or does he not make his teammates better the way Roy does?

A three pointer has a greater positive impact than two points. Effective FG% takes that into account.

Effective Field-Goal Percentage was popularized by current L.A. Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy and the Rick Barry's Pro Basketball Bible series. It adjusts for the added value of three-pointers by counting them as 1.5 field goals, thus make it more fair to three-point shooters than field-goal percentage.

eFG% = (FGM + .5*3PM)/FGA

Also, in terms of talent level the Blazers and Warriors are not that far apart. I'm sure 9 out of 10 coaches would rather have the Blazers young core than the Warriors young core. And personally I believe Nate McMilian is a better coach than Don Nelson.

[Joseph17]

They should make the snubs in the West play the East. The winner of that game should play the West.

[compucomp]

For all this talk about how amazing Brandon Roy is for his team, has nobody noticed that they are out of the playoffs at #9 and most likely will stay that way? I will come on the record and say that they will finish around .500 and will not make the playoffs, while the Warriors will make the playoffs. Brandon Roy is a pretty good player on an average team, he does not deserve to go to the ASG over a very good player on a good team.