Blame Pat Riley for Heat's struggles

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Blame Pat Riley for Heat's struggles 

Post#1 » by ilikecb4 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:01 pm

He really should take the heat for their struggles this season. He did an absolutely horrible job surrounding Shaq and Wade with good role players.

He signed a bum in Smush Parker with his mid-level exception. He's a horrible basketball player.

He let Jason Kapono walk for 5 mill a year to the Raptors.

James Posey went to Boston.

Then he pulled a trade on Antoinie the "Chuck" Walker...he got nothing really in return other than an overpaid bum in Mark Blunt and another bum in Ricky Davis who doesn't play a lick of D...

Then after Morning got hurt and Payton was too old, Riley signed a bunch of D league scrubs...

The point is...Riley just likes to do quick fixes...he doesn't keep in mind the long term plans..

I honestly believe that the heat should have been a playoff team with 2008 Shaq and 2008 D-Wade...if Riley did a better job..

I give him an F...C- for the effort...
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Post#2 » by ToffKobe » Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:20 pm

He did bring them a championship, but I see your point. Despite that he could have still made them better than their current record shows.
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Post#3 » by Flash3 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:35 pm

He already has come out and put a lot of the blame on himself.....
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Post#4 » by LAKESHOW » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:36 pm

he brought the only championship to that franchise.

next point?
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Post#5 » by BBallFreak » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:48 pm

Flash3 wrote:He already has come out and put a lot of the blame on himself.....


Yup.

And to further add, he just turned Shaq into Shawn Marion, at least in part redeeming himself.
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Post#6 » by zen_4_10 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:51 pm

Riley is a smart guy and knows where he stands. The injuries really hurt the Heat from the start this year. As of now I believe he's looking at the future which means putting a high draft pick next to Wade and Marion. Not sure what their financial situation looks like for FA's though for next year.

Riley will be able to rebuild a good team in a relatively short time period.
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Post#7 » by D-Wade » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:54 pm

Flash3 wrote:He already has come out and put a lot of the blame on himself.....


Exactly, and he will turn this basketball team around. Believe that.
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Post#8 » by hermes » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:57 pm

i think he can turn the team around
but he's dug a good sized hole already
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Post#9 » by exkonvict » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:33 pm

60% is D-Wade's fault, because he's supposed to be the MVP of the team. He got all the credit for making Miami relevant, he has to take the majority of the blame. Lebron's still play at least .500 ball, even with the scrubs he plays with...



20% is Riley's fault, because he failed to make any move. However, his latest blockbuster move is a good start.



20% is Shaq's, only 20%, because it's not his fault he's old & injured & his scrub teammates went for the #1 Lottery Prize when he was on the sidelines.
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Post#10 » by Phil Jackson » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:34 pm

It's all Dwyane Wade's fault for flopping on offense.
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Post#11 » by D-Wade » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:37 pm

exkonvict wrote:20% is Shaq's, only 20%, because it's not his fault he's old & injured & his scrub teammates went for the #1 Lottery Prize when he was on the sidelines.


Hold on a minute, let me get this straight:

Shaquille O'Neal gets somewhat of a pass for being "old & injured" yet Wade doesn't for coming off two major surgeries, one of which is a 12-month recovery process? Please. Even worse, you comment on Shaq's scrub teammates shooting for the lottery, as if Shaq's lazy ass wasn't sitting around doing NOTHING with the rest of them.

Phil Jackson wrote:It's all Dwyane Wade's fault for flopping on offense.


Makes no sense.
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Post#12 » by exkonvict » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:42 pm

D-Wade wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hold on a minute, let me get this straight:

Shaquille O'Neal gets somewhat of a pass for being "old & injured" yet Wade doesn't for coming off two major surgeries, one of which is a 12-month recovery process? Please. Even worse, you comment on Shaq's scrub teammates shooting for the lottery, as if Shaq's lazy ass wasn't sitting around doing NOTHING with the rest of them.


He's not getting a pass. He's still 20% responsible. He's not the celebrated player, the one man team that D-Wade symbolizes. Everyone in the Universe knows that D-Wade has to step up and save his name. I think he's getting boo'd at the All-Star Game...
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Post#13 » by D-Wade » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:56 pm

exkonvict wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



He's not getting a pass. He's still 20% responsible. He's not the celebrated player, the one man team that D-Wade symbolizes. Everyone in the Universe knows that D-Wade has to step up and save his name. I think he's getting boo'd at the All-Star Game...


Not really. He only gets hate on RealGM.

Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse of a city, and there is another basketball team in Florida. Nonetheless, he still raped the All-Star voting process, so no, I don't see the boo's.

And yes, you lowered Shaq's percentile because of the excuses you made, when Wade has bigger issues. Have you ever had to come back from two surgeries and play against the best basketball players in the world? Even more, the knee isn't even close to 100% at the moment. Hell, if Wade's sidekick (well, past sidekick) wasn't so lazy, maybe he could help carry the load until Wade is fully healthy. But no. Not Shaquille O'Neal of course.
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Post#14 » by nycballer718 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:30 am

how don't the role players not get any blame ?
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Post#15 » by Harry Heinous » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:07 am

exkonvict wrote: I think he's getting boo'd at the All-Star Game...


:rofl: I didn't know the Realgm General Board Trolls scored tickets to the game.
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Post#16 » by MartyConlonJr » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:51 am

So Wade Shaq and Riley get all the blame, Micky Arison gets none? The blame levels go

1) Micky Arison - wouldn't allow Riley to go into the luxury tax, meaning Riley had to let Kapono go, and wait on Posey and Eddie Jones and Steve Blake to make a run at Mo Williams, who strung the team along so long all the other free agents dried up.
2) Shaquille O'Neal - Same old amount of offseason effort, talks like everything is going to be fine "We'll just get the 8th seed and beat detroit then..." until eliminated, shelves himself with an injury, his people demand a buyout of a contract he only earned 1 season out of 5 and that he wants the majority of the money in, then gets traded out and injury is miraculously much better within a couple of days.
3) Pat Riley - made Posey feel unwanted, didn't offer Eddie Jones a contract all summer, believed too much in Dorell Wright.
4) Dwyane Wade - doesn't always put his full effort in on the defensive end.

If Micky Arison was willing to pay the tax we'd have Posey, Kapono and Jones, where we have been killed nearly every game at the SF position.
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Post#17 » by ilikecb4 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:05 am

nycballer718 wrote:how don't the role players not get any blame ?


what role players?

you mean the garbage player Pat Riley brought in like Mark Blunt, Smush Parker, Alexander Johson...

are those the players you're talking about?
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Post#18 » by Blame Rasho » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:27 am

It was a flawed team from the get go... people were having aneurysms before the season about the Heat falling off and not making the playoffs. You can blame Riley... and he has taken most of it but he isn't alone. Players have not played to their utmost ability, people were hurt, and there was a real sense that I got from the start of the year that last year was an anomaly and they could just flick a switch and everything will get better.
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Post#19 » by Egg Nog » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:32 am

1) Take a look at their starting lineups so far this year.

2) Think.

3) Get back to me.
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Post#20 » by NapoleonII » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:52 am

Egg Nog wrote:1) Take a look at their starting lineups so far this year.

2) Think.

3) Get back to me.



Well said, Sir.

But I said 2 years ago Wade's career wouldn't be as long as say, Kobe's. He's not exactly proving me wrong...

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