NBA: Stackhouse CANNOT return to Mavs... Fair?

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Was the NBA fair in their ruling?

Yes - both teams shouldn't do a trade with pre-meditated ulterior motives
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No - a team can waive and sign any player accordingly
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NBA: Stackhouse CANNOT return to Mavs... Fair? 

Post#1 » by Jordan-esque » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:48 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183

A league source says the NBA has informed Dallas that if Jerry Stackhouse is traded and subsequently waived by the New Jersey Nets, he can not be re-signed by the Mavericks.

"The league has taken Stackhouse out of the deal," the source said. "They said, 'He can be in the trade, but he can't go back to Dallas after that."'

The willingness of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to include Stackhouse in the trade was based on his knowledge that New Jersey would immediately buy him out of his contract, which would allow Stackhouse to re-sign with Dallas after 30 days.

It was Stackhouse's brazen response to the potential trade on Wednesday that first put the league on notice: "I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back,'' Stackhouse told The Associated Press on Wednesday in response to the proposed trade. "I ain't going nowhere."
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Post#2 » by triplet1984 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:50 pm

bahhahaha! This is all because Stackhouse ran his mouth in the papers.

He's a complete moron. You never FLAT OUT SAY that you're going to do that, in fact the whole thing is essentially a "backroom" deal, you just say diplomatic things, say you're going to weigh all the offers you get, blah blah. He's an idiot of the highest order.
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Post#3 » by Chubby Chaser » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:52 pm

HAHAHA.... Genius
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Post#4 » by Chubby Chaser » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:54 pm

Apparently this trade is very telling of how Cuban conducts his business with a bunch of "pre-arranged" side deals.

Shocking... I know..
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Post#5 » by Pats19andO » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:56 pm

Haha Stack is dumber than Joe Smith

what a genius
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Post#6 » by RondoGreen9 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:58 pm

I don't think this Kidd trade is going to happen. Too many pieces are falling apart. Now they are going to have to redo the whole thing and there isn't alot of time. I don't think it'll happen
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Post#7 » by triplet1984 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:01 pm

all joking aside, the Mavs should thank Stack and Devean. The trade killed their depth.
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Post#8 » by MagicalMan » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:02 pm

its fair because they're blatantly exploiting a loophole.
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Post#9 » by Milan24 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:06 pm

Does anyone else see this as a potential lawsuit against the league from the players association?

I don't know the exact wording of the rule but it seams that if a player is not aloud to resign with a team that traded him for 30 days then after that 30 days he should be able to sign with whom ever he wishes. Whether if it was prearranged or not.

Obviously the league is saying this because of Stack running his mouth but I am not sure of the legal footing in this case. :dontknow:
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Post#10 » by Serpo » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:10 pm

MagicalMan wrote:its fair because they're blatantly exploiting a loophole.


It wouldn't have been the first time to do so , but the first time to talk about it before it actually happenend .

Well Dallas and NJ have to work out something else . Dallas season is basically screwed if they don't . I don't see Dallas having any succes with all the events that occured .
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Post#11 » by Carl_Monday » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:11 pm

Milan24 wrote:Does anyone else see this as a potential lawsuit against the league from the players association?

I don't know the exact wording of the rule but it seams that if a player is not aloud to resign with a team that traded him for 30 days then after that 30 days he should be able to sign with whom ever he wishes. Whether if it was prearranged or not.

Obviously the league is saying this because of Stack running his mouth but I am not sure of the legal footing in this case. :dontknow:


It's called "Circumventing the CBA". Just like the Joe Smith debacle. Also, there's a provision in the CBA that allows the commisioner to punish teams that try to circumvent the intent of the CBA, or something to that effect. It's loosely written on purpose, and is entirely legal on the League's part to act in this manner.
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Post#12 » by Chubby Chaser » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:23 pm

Stern or Stu Jackson should take away some draft picks too. Teach Cuban that his shady business dealings won't fly in the NBA.
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Post#13 » by Harm14 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:26 pm

There are always more loopholes.

Can Stackhouse just retire for 30 days and decide that he wants to rejoin the NBA afterwards?
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Post#14 » by LLcoleJ » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:28 pm

23. Do players and teams ever have under-the-table agreements? What happens when the league finds out about them? Is this what happened with the Timberwolves and Joe Smith?

If a team makes a direct agreement with a player that is not reported to the league, the penalties can be even harsher than those described in question number 22. Such a violation is considered by the league to be among the most serious a team can commit. Again, the league will investigate any allegations of wrongdoing. A violation can result in a fine up to $5,000,000, forfeiture of draft picks, voiding the player's contract(s), and/or the suspension for up to one year of any team personnel who were involved. In addition, the player himself can be fined up to $100,000, and prohibited from ever signing with that team.

This is what happened in 2000 with Joe Smith and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Smith left the Philadelphia 76ers in 1999 (following the lockout) to sign with the Minnesota Timberwolves for their $1.75 million Mid-Level exception. They made an under-the-table agreement that Smith would play under three consecutive one-year contracts at below market value, and the Timberwolves would reward him by using their Bird rights to sign him to a huge contract beginning with the 2001-02 season. Unfortunately, they reduced this agreement to writing, and the written agreement eventually found its way into the league's hands.

It had long been rumored that such under-the-table agreements existed, but this was the first time the league had hard evidence in the form of a signed contract. The league responded by fining the team the maximum (at the time) $3.5 million, taking away their next five draft picks (two were later returned), and voiding Smith's then-current contract. Owner Glen Taylor and GM Kevin McHale also agreed to leaves of absence (in lieu of suspensions, at which time the fifth draft pick was returned). Most interestingly, the league also voided Smith's two previous, already-completed contracts. This essentially stripped the Timberwolves of any Bird rights to Smith, preventing them from re-signing Smith for any salary above the minimum (they had already used their other exceptions). Smith left Minnesota and signed with the Detroit Pistons, but returned to Minnesota in 2001.


I dont think the league will take such measures and I am sure these deals happen alot. Even Cuban has done it before with Alan Henderson.
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Post#15 » by Milan24 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:34 pm

Carl_Monday wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



It's called "Circumventing the CBA". Just like the Joe Smith debacle. Also, there's a provision in the CBA that allows the commisioner to punish teams that try to circumvent the intent of the CBA, or something to that effect. It's loosely written on purpose, and is entirely legal on the League's part to act in this manner.

Thanks for the explanation.
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Post#16 » by dacher » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:35 pm

Unfair, when Gasol to Lakers for a bag of nuts is fair. :crazy:
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Post#17 » by magicfan4life05 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:37 pm

dacher wrote:Unfair, when Gasol to Lakers for a bag of nuts is fair. :crazy:



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Post#18 » by etopn23 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:38 pm

The NBA can't do that....
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Post#19 » by phd1969 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:38 pm

If Stern doesn't like it, he should change the rules. Think what you want of Cuban, it's not like he's doing something illegal, shady maybe, but nothing against the rules.
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Post#20 » by Carl_Monday » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:43 pm

Kobe D wrote:Stern or Stu Jackson should take away some draft picks too. Teach Cuban that his shady business dealings won't fly in the NBA.


Nah, they didn't do anything shady, as no trade took place. Imagine if Stack had gone and blabbed all of this after the fact, then the Mavs would be in some deep ish...

Bottom line, like someone else said, Stackhouse should've just kept his mouth shut. It basically comes down to stupidity, just like McHale was dumb enough to write down the illegal deal on paper, and that some of the ballplayers in the Mitchell report were dumb enough to buy steroids and HGH with personal checks, Stack was dumb enough to tell the whole world the shady aspects of the deal. :lol:

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