Spurs closing in on Artest?

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Post#1 » by ChampionRed » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:07 pm

WIRETAP

I'm not sure if there is a thread on this or not....but if the Spurs get Artest you have to believe they would be the favorites once again. This would be huge for the Spurs if this deal goes down. And it would only cost them Elson, Barry, and a pick. Wow is all I can say if this deal went down.
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Post#2 » by 2poor » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:10 pm

I hope it isn't true. :blank:
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Post#3 » by nycballer718 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:11 pm

spurs panicked as well knowing all the west teams are improving , nuggets and hornets are next
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Post#4 » by Jordan45822 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:12 pm

I already picked the Spurs to win the championship. if this happens, it will only make my pick even more stronger and it will be over for everyone else.
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Post#5 » by nycballer718 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:14 pm

as if spurs defense wasnt good enough now along with bowen they get artest lol
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Post#6 » by 5DOM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:16 pm

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Post#7 » by tsherkin » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:17 pm

What would they trade to get Artest? Barry and Elson? Barry and Horry? Barry and Finley? Oberto, Bonner and Udoka?

What would Sacramento accept back?

It'll be tough to work out a trade and San Antonio really needs to keep Finley and Barry around... and Elson represents frontcourt depth... and anything else would be unacceptable to the Kings in terms of return value.

If this happens and Pops/Buford don't screw the Spurs' depth, it's a genius deal.
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Post#8 » by James_Dolan » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:17 pm

Damn. Every team will score 60 points against them.
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Post#9 » by HarlemHeat37 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:17 pm

I don't think the trade will happen..

we would easily be the favorites though, since we're already contenders without a big name trade like LA, Phoenix and Dallas pulled off..nobody is panicking..it's an opportunity to get a good trade..it probably won't even happen..

it would be funny if we could pull it off, considering Pop's jokes about LA getting Gasol..

I think he'll stay a King or go to Denver..but this would be great..one of my favorite players on my favorite team..I dare any swingman in the NBA to go 48 minutes against Artest and Bowen..
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Post#10 » by SactownHrtBrks8 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:18 pm

Talks are preliminary
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Post#11 » by studcrackers » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:22 pm

just cancel the league if this happens
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Post#12 » by HarlemHeat37 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:23 pm

tsherkin wrote:What would they trade to get Artest? Barry and Elson? Barry and Horry? Barry and Finley? Oberto, Bonner and Udoka?

What would Sacramento accept back?

It'll be tough to work out a trade and San Antonio really needs to keep Finley and Barry around... and Elson represents frontcourt depth... and anything else would be unacceptable to the Kings in terms of return value.

If this happens and Pops/Buford don't screw the Spurs' depth, it's a genius deal.


Elson doesn't play..and when he does, it hurts our eyes..

the trade for Artest is Elson and Barry's expiring contracts, plus some picks..apparently if we take Kenny Thomas and add more contracts, it'll be a lot closer..I don't know if I want that contract on my team though, even for Artest..

Barry is expandable, but I agree that we can't trade Barry AND Finley..we still have Finley, Ginobili, Stoudamire, Udoka and Bowen as our shooters though, if Barry is gone, which is necessary for the trade..

probably looking at Artest for Elson, Barry and 2 picks or cash or whatever works..or Artest/Kenny Thomas for Elson, Barry, Vaughn, Bonner, Mahinmi and cash..
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Post#13 » by Magz50 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:24 pm

Giving up Elson + Barry + picks is hardly panicking for a guy like Artest. Not sure if this is a ploy by Sac to get Denver to throw in Kleiza though.Don't be shocked if it's Denver ending up with him.
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Post#14 » by DBMethos » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:25 pm

Yeah, sounding more likely that he'll either go to Denver or stay put in Sacto...
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Post#15 » by tsherkin » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:31 pm

HarlemHeat37 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Elson doesn't play..and when he does, it hurts our eyes..


He's still 6 fouls in the frontcourt and he's not totally useless.

the trade for Artest is Elson and Barry's expiring contracts, plus some picks..apparently if we take Kenny Thomas and add more contracts, it'll be a lot closer..I don't know if I want that contract on my team though, even for Artest..


That's ugly financially, and even worse if it includes picks. I can't see the Spurs sacrificing their future flexibility for a one-year rental of Artest; they remain legit contenders even without him. Kenny Thomas' contract is ugly as sin at 2 years after this at about $8M a year.

Barry is expandable, but I agree that we can't trade Barry AND Finley..we still have Finley, Ginobili, Stoudamire, Udoka and Bowen as our shooters though, if Barry is gone, which is necessary for the trade..


Barry >>>>>>>>>>> all of those guys and Stoudamire isn't a shooter, he's a scorer with rhythm-range, not true range. Barry's the best shooter on the team right now unless Finley or Manu is in rhythm on any given night. And Bowen is not a shooter, he can hit pocket threes, there's a difference.

probably looking at Artest for Elson, Barry and 2 picks or cash or whatever works..or Artest/Kenny Thomas for Elson, Barry, Vaughn, Bonner, Mahinmi and cash..


That would be AWFUl with picks. The second trade would be less ugly but still unpalatable because you're giving up Barry and not keeping Artest for very long AND taking back a longer contract.
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Post#16 » by ss1986v2 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:41 pm

tsherkin wrote:He's still 6 fouls in the frontcourt and he's not totally useless.

yes and no. while he does give the spurs 6 fouls, he has been next to totally useless this year. hes regressed in almost every area. he looks lost on the defensive end, and is a bit of a black hole on offense (if he touches the ball, hes going to shoot it). hes out of the rotation most nights, and if all we are looking for is 6 fouls, bonner is ready, willing, and able...

tsherkin wrote:Barry >>>>>>>>>>> all of those guys and Stoudamire isn't a shooter, he's a scorer with rhythm-range, not true range. Barry's the best shooter on the team right now unless Finley or Manu is in rhythm on any given night. And Bowen is not a shooter, he can hit pocket threes, there's a difference.

while the percentages show that, you have to factor his injury into things. he tore a muscle in his calf earlier in the year. he sat out 3 weeks, came back, and reaggravated the injury that same week. hes been out ever since (coming up on a month out now). barry is 36 years old, and this injury could very well linger for the rest of the year. and hes definetly not our best shooter when the playoffs roll around. last year, he shot 30% from 3 in the post season, and was sitting many game. finley is probably much more important to the spurs playoff rotation than barry is.
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Post#17 » by That Nicka » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:46 pm

nycballer718 wrote:nuggets and hornets are next


they dont have very much time...
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Post#18 » by tsherkin » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:47 pm

ss1986v2 wrote:yes and no. while he does give the spurs 6 fouls, he has been next to totally useless this year. hes regressed in almost every area. he looks lost on the defensive end, and is a bit of a black hole on offense (if he touches the ball, hes going to shoot it). hes out of the rotation most nights, and if all we are looking for is 6 fouls, bonner is ready, willing, and able...


True but Elson is a better rebounder and since he's taller, longer and quicker, he's more intimidating to a slasher, even if he's totally useless at stopping the drive or altering the shot, it's just perception. Bonner's shorter.

while the percentages show that, you have to factor his injury into things. he tore a muscle in his calf earlier in the year. he sat out 3 weeks, came back, and reaggravated the injury that same week. hes been out ever since (coming up on a month out now). barry is 36 years old, and this injury could very well linger for the rest of the year. and hes definetly not our best shooter when the playoffs roll around. last year, he shot 30% from 3 in the post season, and was sitting many game. finley is probably much more important to the spurs playoff rotation than barry is.


A more important player, Finley certainly is, but last year is hardly an indication; what about when he shot 42.4% for the '05 title? Or 50% in 05-06? Last year was an outlier, not an indicator of his annual production. He undoubtedly laid an egg last year but that's not how he traditionally performs in the playoffs and you know it well enough.
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Post#19 » by Heat3 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:51 pm

If the Spurs get Artest....Kobe might as well have his surgery. Won't make a difference. All the teams in the West have been making moves to get to the Spurs level. Now in one shot the champs can one up everyone again.
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Post#20 » by pillwenney » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:51 pm

tsherkin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That would be AWFUl with picks. The second trade would be less ugly but still unpalatable because you're giving up Barry and not keeping Artest for very long AND taking back a longer contract.


The idea would be to re-sign Ron, which the Spurs could easily do.

If so they would be at probably like $67millionish next year, with salary committed to Parker, Ginobili, Artest, Duncan, Bowen, Thomas, Udoka and Oberto. That's 8 guys, with a lineup that would probably look like...

Parker
Bowen\Ginobili
Artest\Udoka
Duncan\Thomas
Oberto

Bring Splitter over, sign this year's pick (since the Kings wouldn't get it if the Spurs took Kenny), sign a backup PG for cheap (just as an example, say they re-sign Stoudamire for the LLE or something), and a couple other vet. min. guys (ring chasers) to fill out the roster.

Parker\Stoudamire
Bowen\Ginobili\Vet
Artest\Udoka
Duncan\Thomas\08 pick
Oberto\Splitter\Vet

That roster costs about $73-74million, which is a little more expensive than this year's roster.

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