Real MVP of the Lakers; Pau Gasol?

Pancho_Pantera · Post #1 » by **Pancho_Pantera** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:47 pm

If the Lakers finish with the best regular season record, Kobe will win. That's just how things are. But shouldn't Gasol receive most of the credit for the Lakers success? Odom has been playing extremely well. With Gasol on the team, it allows Kobe to be unselfish on offense, and to play better defense, since he isn't focusing most of his energy on offense. Plus he has been able to fill in for Bynum and he hasn't missed a beat with the new offense.

Post #2 » by **Basti** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:50 pm

well I guess Kobe will still be the player to give the ball to in crunch time and he is still the better defender, scorer and passer. only because Kobe's numbers decrease it doesn't mean at all that his presence decreases.

Dirk has won the MVP last year because he was the best player on the best team but his numbers weren't that great IIRC and Josh Howard wasn't that far off from Dirk

Patterns · Post #3 » by **Patterns** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:50 pm

Will the Lakers be better with Kobe or Gasol?

Were the Lakers better with Bynum or Gasol?

Profanity · Post #4 » by **Profanity** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:53 pm

Patterns wrote:Will the Lakers be better with Kobe or Gasol?

Were the Lakers better with Bynum or Gasol?

Will the Lakers be better with Kobe or Gasol?
Kobe

Were the Lakers better with Bynum or Gasol?
?

What does it means?

Derekman · Post #5 » by **Derekman** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:56 pm

lol. If you take Manu off the spurs, they become a middle-of-the pack team. Is Manu their MVP? How about warriors and Stephen Jackson? and i'm reaching here, but doesnt the same hold true for varajeo and the Cavs?

Cracked Fingers · Post #6 » by **Cracked Fingers** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:58 pm

Yeah how dare Kobe finally have a real second option.

Milan24 · Post #7 » by **Milan24** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:59 pm

No, Gasol isn't the real MVP of the Lakers. :rofl:

I have to hand it to you though, you are taking a page out of B-Scott's book. I think you might of read that thread by B-Scott a month or so ago saying the same **** about Bynum being the "real MVP" of the Lakers.

Kobe leads the team in assists, points, steals and shots per game= biggest contributor=MVP of the Lakers.

Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Fisher and Farmar are major contributors in the success.

Enough said.

etopn23 · Post #8 » by **etopn23** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:04 pm

Gasol has been just as impressive as Kobe since he came to the Lakers.

He's playing the best ball of his career. He's been putting up 22p/1.6b/.4s/3a/9r shooting 57% from the floor in '08.

I knew he was underrated, but not to this extent. He's shooting 65% in LA.

Deuce33 · Post #9 » by **Deuce33** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:06 pm

Pancho_Pantera wrote:If the Lakers finish with the best regular season record, Kobe will win. That's just how things are. But shouldn't Gasol receive most of the credit for the Lakers success? Odom has been playing extremely well. With Gasol on the team, it allows Kobe to be unselfish on offense, and to play better defense, since he isn't focusing most of his energy on offense. Plus he has been able to fill in for Bynum and he hasn't missed a beat with the new offense.

It was only a matter of time before this start coming up..

That Nicka · Post #10 » by **That Nicka** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:06 pm

the_incredible_basti wrote:only because Kobe's numbers decrease it doesn't mean at all that his presence decreases.

Kobe's numbers havent even decreased...

29, 5, 5 in the last 10 games on 51%.... And in 2 of those games he only had 6 and 11 points (when he first hurt his finger)

Magic All The Way · Post #11 » by **Magic All The Way** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:09 pm

I think you mean "Is Gasol the X factor?"

Kobay · Post #12 » by **Kobay** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:10 pm

warning players may appear better next to kobe than they truly are.

Patterns · Post #13 » by **Patterns** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:11 pm

Profanity wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Will the Lakers be better with Kobe or Gasol?
Kobe

Were the Lakers better with Bynum or Gasol?
?

What does it means?

It means that the Lakers were even better with Bynum than with Gasol both offensive wise and defensive wise(according to stats). Does that mean Bynum is the real MVP of the Lakers?

See where the logic of the OP fails? How can you have 3 "real" MVPs on the same team?

YiYaoYue · Post #14 » by **YiYaoYue** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:11 pm

You take Kobe out of lakers and they become Memphis Grizzlies when they had Gasol (lottery team)

You take Gasol out of the lakers thy become lakers before Gasol (a low playoff seed)

Pancho_Pantera · Post #15 » by **Pancho_Pantera** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:12 pm

Relax people, Kobe will win the MVP if they finish with the best record. No one is denying that, but Gasol deserves a lot of that credit. Let's face it, Gasol has made a better player out of Odom than Kobe.

Patterns · Post #16 » by **Patterns** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:12 pm

YiYaoYue wrote:You take Kobe out of lakers and they become Memphis Grizzlies when they had Gasol (lottery team)

You take Gasol out of the lakers thy become lakers before Gasol (a low playoff seed)

Exactly.

Players fit into teams for a reason. Gasol was never a legit #1 option. He couldn't carry a team. He's not an MVP candidate. Not even close.

Kobe is the real MVP of the Lakers... by far. It amazes me how people try to take everything away from Kobe.

hermes · Post #17 » by **hermes** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:13 pm

so if kobe went for the surgery and gasol had to lead the team could he do it, that is the question that needs to be asked

Derekman · Post #18 » by **Derekman** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:14 pm

Pancho_Pantera wrote:Relax people, Kobe will win the MVP if they finish with the best record. No one is denying that, but Gasol deserves a lot of that credit. Let's face it, Gasol has made a better player out of Odom than Kobe.

no he hasnt. Lamar is playing better because he is no longer relied upon to be the teams second best player. With Gasol, Lamar can do things he's good at instead of trying to be a force on the offensive end.

conleyorbust · Post #19 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:14 pm

This is going to turn into a topic about Kobe revolutionarizing the league.

fadinaway · Post #20 » by **fadinaway** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:15 pm

First Odom was the "real" MVP of the Lakers then misses some games and the Lakers don't miss a beat. Then it was Fisher because his numbers were up with all the wide open looks. Next we had Bynum but he's missed like 30 games and Gasol has been arguably more productive so now it's Gasol? There's been one constant on the Lakers, people..

Oh ans this is getting pathetic..