Cavs after the Trades (merged threads)

Bucs80 · Post #1 » by **Bucs80** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:35 pm

After watching a month of Cleveland basketball, and Lebron James's putting more effort for the team to win games. Do you think now that the trade trades have been a failure?

LiquidFire · Post #2 » by **LiquidFire** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:38 pm

joe smith = drew gooden (joes prolly better)
wally < hughes (until wally finds his shot, then hell fit better)
ben wallace >> yeller
delonte west >>> ira newble (who we might be getting back)

prekazi · Post #3 » by **prekazi** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:39 pm

They're missing 2 key player(Z and Gibson) and 1 good defender Pavs. So it's hard to evaluate. But it's clear that Wally is playing worse then Hughes, Big Ben is Big Ben(sucks) and Delonte is a huge question mark.

LALakers4ever · Post #4 » by **LALakers4ever** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:40 pm

Lebron has a deep supporting cast with 3 other All-Star around him, so I would say they're better.

Post #5 » by **Schad** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:46 pm

LALakers4ever wrote:Lebron has a deep supporting cast with 3 other All-Star around him, so I would say they're better.

Players shouldn't be considered All-Stars in perpetuity; Wally was a one-time selection six seasons ago and didn't exactly post All-Star calibre numbers, anyway. Ben Wallace was a very good player at one point, but the jury is still out on whether his presence is even beneficial. Ilgauskas is still solid, but definitely not All-Star worthy anymore.

His supporting cast post-trade, if everyone plays up to expectations, would be mediocre, not deep.

J-Mezzy · Post #6 » by **J-Mezzy** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:48 pm

Lol at the 3 all stars comment
Why am I not surprised that it was a lakers fan?

LALakers4ever · Post #7 » by **LALakers4ever** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:51 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Players shouldn't be considered All-Stars in perpetuity; Wally was a one-time selection six seasons ago and didn't exactly post All-Star calibre numbers, anyway. Ben Wallace was a very good player at one point, but the jury is still out on whether his presence is even beneficial. Ilgauskas is still solid, but definitely not All-Star worthy anymore.

His supporting cast post-trade, if everyone plays up to expectations, would be mediocre, not deep.

Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars

The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.

J-Mezzy · Post #8 » by **J-Mezzy** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:55 pm

I'll take never all stars
Hedo
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum
Monta Ellis
Stephen Jackson

over any of the 3 previous all stars.
That is just an idiotic comment

Moses_Malone95 · Post #9 » by **Moses_Malone95** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:55 pm

Delonte West is the only player that can be considered an improvement over his predecessor.

Sczerbiak = Hughes
Wallace = Gooden

Neither has proven themselves with their new team. If anything, the Bulls improved after the trade.

Basileus777 · Post #10 » by **Basileus777** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:57 pm

Its a lateral move. The Cavs might be a little better, but not by much.

hermes · Post #11 » by **hermes** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:59 pm

didn't improve substantially

Post #12 » by **Schad** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:59 pm

LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars

The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.

Not really. I'll take a guy who has never made the All-Star team but is at the peak of his career, over one who did half a decade ago, and is several injuries from his prime.

LiquidFire · Post #13 » by **LiquidFire** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:59 pm

LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars

The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.

bill russell >>>>>>> hedo turky RIGHT NOW.

i dont even know how you could say that without knowing in the back of your mind how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) it was.

Moses_Malone95 · Post #14 » by **Moses_Malone95** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:00 pm

Talent doesn't win championships. If so, David Stern owes the Blazers a few from earlier this decade.

LALakers4ever · Post #15 » by **LALakers4ever** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:02 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:I'll take never all stars
Hedo
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum
Monta Ellis
Stephen Jackson

over any of the 3 previous all stars.
That is just an idiotic comment

First, Pau Gasol is a Former All-Star

Second, this is all subjective and based on team need. The point is that the Cavs roster has talent.

MagicNolesFSU · Post #16 » by **MagicNolesFSU** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:03 pm

They are just mediocre with different players and a ben wallace contract.

Cammo101 · Post #17 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:06 pm

LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars

The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.

Ok. You take Payton, Reggie Miller, Pippen, Webber, Magloire and I will take Deron Williams, Mike Miller, Hedo Turkoglu, Gasol, and LaMarcus Aldridge aqnd lets see who wins.

Dumbest statement on here in weeks.

Cammo101 · Post #18 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:07 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:They are just mediocre with different players and a ben wallace contract.

Yup. Swap Hughes for Wally, swap Hughes ugly contract for Wallace's ugly contract, swap Gooden for Smith. That is a lot of lateral movement.

Moses_Malone95 · Post #19 » by **Moses_Malone95** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:08 pm

Too bad Gasol has been an all-star

Post #20 » by **INKtastic** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:08 pm

shouldn't the whole roster get to play together for a few games before judging the trade?

Ben Wallace was brought in to play beside Z and about as soon as he gets here, Z goes out.

Wally was brought in to help spread the court with Gibson, they haven't had a chance to play together yet.

Unless someone else gets hurt, I suspect we'll finally see the team together in about a week.