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Cavs after the Trades (merged threads)
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:35 pm
by Bucs80
After watching a month of Cleveland basketball, and Lebron James's putting more effort for the team to win games. Do you think now that the trade trades have been a failure?
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:38 pm
by LiquidFire
joe smith = drew gooden (joes prolly better)
wally < hughes (until wally finds his shot, then hell fit better)
ben wallace >> yeller
delonte west >>> ira newble (who we might be getting back)
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:39 pm
by prekazi
They're missing 2 key player(Z and Gibson) and 1 good defender Pavs. So it's hard to evaluate. But it's clear that Wally is playing worse then Hughes, Big Ben is Big Ben(sucks) and Delonte is a huge question mark.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:40 pm
by LALakers4ever
Lebron has a deep supporting cast with 3 other All-Star around him, so I would say they're better.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:46 pm
by Schad
LALakers4ever wrote:Lebron has a deep supporting cast with 3 other All-Star around him, so I would say they're better.
Players shouldn't be considered All-Stars in perpetuity; Wally was a one-time selection six seasons ago and didn't exactly post All-Star calibre numbers, anyway. Ben Wallace was a very good player at one point, but the jury is still out on whether his presence is even beneficial. Ilgauskas is still solid, but definitely not All-Star worthy anymore.
His supporting cast post-trade, if everyone plays up to expectations, would be mediocre, not deep.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:48 pm
by J-Mezzy
Lol at the 3 all stars comment
Why am I not surprised that it was a lakers fan?
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:51 pm
by LALakers4ever
Schadenfreude wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Players shouldn't be considered All-Stars in perpetuity; Wally was a one-time selection six seasons ago and didn't exactly post All-Star calibre numbers, anyway. Ben Wallace was a very good player at one point, but the jury is still out on whether his presence is even beneficial. Ilgauskas is still solid, but definitely not All-Star worthy anymore.
His supporting cast post-trade, if everyone plays up to expectations, would be mediocre, not deep.
Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars
The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:55 pm
by J-Mezzy
I'll take never all stars
Hedo
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum
Monta Ellis
Stephen Jackson
over any of the 3 previous all stars.
That is just an idiotic comment
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:55 pm
by Moses_Malone95
Delonte West is the only player that can be considered an improvement over his predecessor.
Sczerbiak = Hughes
Wallace = Gooden
Neither has proven themselves with their new team. If anything, the Bulls improved after the trade.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:57 pm
by Basileus777
Its a lateral move. The Cavs might be a little better, but not by much.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:59 pm
by hermes
didn't improve substantially
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:59 pm
by Schad
LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars
The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.
Not really. I'll take a guy who has never made the All-Star team but is at the peak of his career, over one who did half a decade ago, and is several injuries from his prime.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:59 pm
by LiquidFire
LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars
The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.
bill russell >>>>>>> hedo turky RIGHT NOW.
i dont even know how you could say that without knowing in the back of your mind how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) it was.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:00 pm
by Moses_Malone95
Talent doesn't win championships. If so, David Stern owes the Blazers a few from earlier this decade.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:02 pm
by LALakers4ever
J-Mezzy wrote:I'll take never all stars
Hedo
Pau Gasol
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum
Monta Ellis
Stephen Jackson
over any of the 3 previous all stars.
That is just an idiotic comment
First, Pau Gasol is a Former All-Star
Second, this is all subjective and based on team need. The point is that the Cavs roster has talent.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:03 pm
by MagicNolesFSU
They are just mediocre with different players and a ben wallace contract.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:06 pm
by Cammo101
LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Former All-Stars >>> Never All-Stars
The point is that roster has talent, as proven by last year's playoff run. When they get healthy, that's a nice supporting cast.
Ok. You take Payton, Reggie Miller, Pippen, Webber, Magloire and I will take Deron Williams, Mike Miller, Hedo Turkoglu, Gasol, and LaMarcus Aldridge aqnd lets see who wins.
Dumbest statement on here in weeks.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:07 pm
by Cammo101
MagicNolesFSU wrote:They are just mediocre with different players and a ben wallace contract.
Yup. Swap Hughes for Wally, swap Hughes ugly contract for Wallace's ugly contract, swap Gooden for Smith. That is a lot of lateral movement.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:08 pm
by Moses_Malone95
Too bad Gasol has been an all-star
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:08 pm
by INKtastic
shouldn't the whole roster get to play together for a few games before judging the trade?
Ben Wallace was brought in to play beside Z and about as soon as he gets here, Z goes out.
Wally was brought in to help spread the court with Gibson, they haven't had a chance to play together yet.
Unless someone else gets hurt, I suspect we'll finally see the team together in about a week.