What happens to Kobe if he loses to Shaq in the playoffs?

Taiwan Killa · Post #1 » by **Taiwan Killa** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:33 am

That would be the ultimate confidence destroyer especially if it's a first round matchup. Would Kobe's career be over in terms of him and Shaq?

What about Shaq would that show that Shaq only wins when he wants to win?

Xandre · Post #2 » by **Xandre** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:35 am

Ummm...he plays for the US in the Olympics, gets surgery on his right pinky, and then tries to win a championship next year?

Post #3 » by **5DOM** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:40 am

i dont think much will change.

jzmagik · Post #4 » by **jzmagik** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:41 am

Xandre wrote:Ummm...he plays for the US in the Olympics, gets surgery on his right pinky, and then tries to win a championship next year?

Ah already the hypothetical excuses begin :lol:

Seattlesun · Post #5 » by **Seattlesun** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:42 am

mass suicide by 15 year old and younger LA laker fans. sure would be a good day for realgm though...

AgEnT50 · Post #6 » by **AgEnT50** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:45 am

Xandre wrote:Ummm...he plays for the US in the Olympics, gets surgery on his right pinky, and then tries to win a championship next year?

Exactly....Pointless thread

Xandre · Post #7 » by **Xandre** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:47 am

jzmagik wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ah already the hypothetical excuses begin

How was that an excuse? That's literally what Kobe will be doing this offseason, and the OP asked what he's going to do if he loses to Shaq.

Mr. Sun · Post #8 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:51 am

Kobe loses to Shaq would just prove Amare Stoudemire is the true legit MVP.

Would also prove Kobe can't get it done without the Big Cactus.

eatyourchildren · Post #9 » by **eatyourchildren** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:53 am

Mr. Sun wrote:Kobe loses to Shaq would just prove Amare Stoudemire is the true legit MVP.

Would also prove Kobe can't get it done without the Big Cactus.

Well, assuming he never wins a championship after that. But I actually don't know too many people, non-Laker fans even, who will bet me 20$ that the Lakers won't win one in the next 3-5 years.

Also, how does losing prove that Amare is the MVP? If anything, Nash is still the most crucial piece on that team.

Mr. Sun · Post #10 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:09 am

eatyourchildren wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, assuming he never wins a championship after that. But I actually don't know too many people, non-Laker fans even, who will bet me 20$ that the Lakers won't win one in the next 3-5 years.

They don't look at the Lakers HUGE tax liability in salary that I don't believe Buss is going to be willing to finance for long with an early exit, which also limits their ability to trade. They will be without their first round draft picks for what, next 2-3 years? Weathering a serious injury is going to be tough for them, especially if it is Kobe.

In other words, they gave up their flexibility to improve/adjust in order to win now which is gonna require everything to go perfect for them.

eatyourchildren wrote:Also, how does losing prove that Amare is the MVP? If anything, Nash is still the most crucial piece on that team.

Nash's turnovers is killing him, his assists erratic. He doesn't score or rebound anywhere near what Amare does. Sun's actually play better with him resting then they do with him in the game at times. Take Nash out and the SUNS still can roll, take out Amare and the SUNS are in a world of hurt.

exkonvict · Post #11 » by **exkonvict** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:15 am

Mr. Sun wrote:Kobe loses to Shaq would just prove Amare Stoudemire is the true legit MVP.

Would also prove Kobe can't get it done without the Big Cactus.

You mean that would make Shaq the MVP and GOAT right?

BRINGTHEPAIN · Post #12 » by **BRINGTHEPAIN** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:22 am

Whoever is winning championships now won't have a very long window with Portland emerging. Providing they can get it done in the front-office the Blazers are the next dynasty.

theTHIEF · Post #13 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:25 am

he gets to rest sooner...

eatyourchildren · Post #14 » by **eatyourchildren** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:29 am

Mr. Sun wrote:They don't look at the Lakers HUGE tax liability in salary that I don't believe Buss is going to be willing to finance for long with an early exit, which also limits their ability to trade. They will be without their first round draft picks for what, next 2-3 years? Weathering a serious injury is going to be tough for them, especially if it is Kobe.

In other words, they gave up their flexibility to improve/adjust in order to win now which is gonna require everything to go perfect for them.

Buss has always been willing to finance an over-the-cap team so long as they are legit title contenders. Lakers feel confident with this roster to do that. I mean, do we really need that much beyond Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol? We also don't need any more draft picks--the team is 10 players deep and counting. Losing Kobe will hurt, but that's an irrelevant scenario to consider, since every franchise is afraid of its franchise player being hurt.

It's very hard to spin the Lakers as having to make drastic moves to keep up the winning. Portland will be a beast, no doubt, but I don't think they're automatically slated to beat a Kobe/Bynum/Gasol team.

Nash's turnovers is killing him, his assists erratic. He doesn't score or rebound anywhere near what Amare does. Sun's actually play better with him resting then they do with him in the game at times. Take Nash out and the SUNS still can roll, take out Amare and the SUNS are in a world of hurt.

No. We've seen what happens when Barbosa runs the point for more than 20 minutes. Not good. Until Amare can become a dominant ISO player, Nash will still be the engine that makes the offense go.

Post #15 » by **INKtastic** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:35 am

Mr. Sun wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nash's turnovers is killing him, his assists erratic. He doesn't score or rebound anywhere near what Amare does. Sun's actually play better with him resting then they do with him in the game at times. Take Nash out and the SUNS still can roll, take out Amare and the SUNS are in a world of hurt.

Actually, when Amare goes out, the Suns play even with their opponents. When Nash goes out, they get outscored by 8.1 ppg.

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708PHO.HTM

That is why nobody talks about Amare as MVP and Nash still gets in the discussion.

Mr. Sun · Post #16 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:35 am

eatyourchildren wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No. We've seen what happens when Barbosa runs the point for more than 20 minutes. Not good. Until Amare can become a dominant ISO player, Nash will still be the engine that makes the offense go.

No, generally when we go on BIG scoring runs it is with Barbosa on the floor while Nash naps, although we can go on runs with Nash as well. It really depends on who guards Nash. If it someone like Bowen or CP3 Nash becomes a liability fast.

Bulls_Dynasty6 · Post #17 » by **Bulls_Dynasty6** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:37 am

Nothing?

Mr. Sun · Post #18 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:40 am

lj4mvp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Actually, when Amare goes out, the Suns play even with their opponents. When Nash goes out, they get outscored by 8.1 ppg.

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708PHO.HTM

That is why nobody talks about Amare as MVP and Nash still gets in the discussion.

That is incrediably misleading. For starters, it doesn't take into account Nash's turnovers that follow him when goes out. It also doesn't take into account how awful he is against younger, quicker PG's. Nash is great against certain teams, but not so great against other (like ones we need to beat).

Take Amare out and Nash is lost.

BRINGTHEPAIN · Post #19 » by **BRINGTHEPAIN** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:41 am

lj4mvp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Actually, when Amare goes out, the Suns play even with their opponents. When Nash goes out, they get outscored by 8.1 ppg.

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708PHO.HTM

That is why nobody talks about Amare as MVP and Nash still gets in the discussion.

That statistical category doesn't count though because there is no way of showing which of those minutes on the bench were @ junktime and which were @ competition time.

eatyourchildren · Post #20 » by **eatyourchildren** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:43 am

lj4mvp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Actually, when Amare goes out, the Suns play even with their opponents. When Nash goes out, they get outscored by 8.1 ppg.

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708PHO.HTM

That is why nobody talks about Amare as MVP and Nash still gets in the discussion.

Wow, how far has Nash fallen from grace in Suns-land. I can't believe they actually think Amare, not Nash, is what makes their system go.