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Post#1 » by Scalabrine » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:58 am

He is a free agent this summer (unrestricted I believe) and this season has put up absolutely insane numbers and will be looking to get his last big contract of the season. His Numbers?:
22 points
10.5 rebounds
1.5 assists
1.3 steals
.5 blocks
44% from the fied
34% from beyong the arc
38.9 minutes
and this is one of the most impressive 1.4 TURNOVERS!

1.4 turnovers in 39 minutes while being the focus of the offense most of the time. He has really stepped up his play with all the injuries they have had (Butler and Arenas and Thomas Daniels)out fpr a while?

where will he be for next season?
what team could use him?
how much money will he get?
how many years?
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Post#2 » by T-Mac for MVP » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:03 am

Trade him for VC!!
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Post#3 » by sarah42 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:05 am

44% from the field for a powerfoward?

is that a normal number for him? cuz yuck! dude needs to cool it with the threes.

he's in his early thirties no? i don't see any team really going after him for big bucks - he's not getting rashard lewis treatment!
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Post#4 » by TruSkool » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:07 am

trade to lakers for lamar?

the lakers will gain more of a shooter
the wiz will gain more versatility (assists)

i think id actually keep odom over jamison
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Post#5 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:10 am

sarah42 wrote:44% from the field for a powerfoward?

is that a normal number for him? cuz yuck! dude needs to cool it with the threes.

he's in his early thirties no? i don't see any team really going after him for big bucks - he's not getting rashard lewis treatment!


I still don't get why people are hung up on field goal percentage. The only two %'s people should be paying attention to are eFG% and TS% because they account for 3's taken. Jamison takes a lot of 3's, therefore his fg% isn't going to look good, even though he's been very efficient this season.
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Post#6 » by kdot99 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:11 am

he's going to phoenix for the MLE...yup.

every article i read regarding his free agency in 08 talks about him leaving...but I can't see to find a better fit than Washington
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Post#7 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:13 am

As to the questions....

where will he be for next season?


99.9% probability that it's Washington. He loves it here. We'll probably give him the most money. He fits in perfectly with our system, yadda yadda.

what team could use him?


I think Philadelphia would be good for him. He'd get a lot of minutes and the 76'ers need a power forward badly. If they can't get Brand, I'd watch out for them having serious interest in Antawn.

how much money will he get?


Most likely, around 10mil per season.

how many years?


Probably 3.
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Post#8 » by Rox_Nix_Nox » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:13 am

Why trade him for Lamar? The only player I would swap Lamar with is Ron Artest.

I think Jamison will stay in Washington though.
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Post#9 » by sarah42 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:23 am

i'm sorry, but big men should be averaging a lot better than 44 percent.

he's not even a great three point shooter, so why doesn't he have a mid range game like bosh, kg, dirk, david west etc or at least focus more on that.

i understand jump shooting power forwards, thats the game we have.

but all those dudes shoot and still maintain a respectable fg percentage.

i don't care what anyone tells you, your big man should be around 48 percent and higher. not all dudes can be like Dwight and dunk it all night for 60 percent, but 44! ughhhh.
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Post#10 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:24 am

sarah42 wrote:i'm sorry, but big men should be averaging a lot better than 44 percent.

he's not even a great three point shooter, so why doesn't he have a mid range game like bosh, kg, dirk, david west etc or at least focus more on that.

i understand jump shooting power forwards, thats the game we have.

but all those dudes shoot and still maintain a respectable fg percentage.

i don't care what anyone tells you, your big man should be around 48 percent and higher. not all dudes can be like Dwight and dunk it all night for 60 percent, but 44! ughhhh.


You can say that all you want but all that matters is if these players are efficient on offense. Whether you prefer a big man who plays inside and has a high fg% is fine, but it has absolutely nothing to do with how good of a player they are, how much they contribute to their team, or their overall efficiency on offense.
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Post#11 » by sarah42 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:28 am

well he ain't a great defender either miller31time.
so he's not helping his team in that aspect.

those are bad numbers for big men no matter which way you look at it.
getting paid 10 million for that is ridiculous. does caron shoot at a higher percentage? lol.

i understand he's a hard worker, but come on! again, he's below average for a three point shooter!
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Post#12 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:31 am

sarah42 wrote:well he ain't a great defender either miller31time.
so he's not helping his team in that aspect.

those are bad numbers for big men no matter which way you look at it.
getting paid 10 million for that is ridiculous. does caron shoot at a higher percentage? lol.

i understand he's a hard worker, but come on! again, he's below average for a three point shooter!


He's improved his defense so that it's average by NBA standards. And statistically, he is 3rd in the NBA in +/- (at last check) with an on/off of +18.2.

The Wizards are 13.8 points better per 100 possessions on offense with Jamison on the floor.

The Wizards are 4.4 points better per 100 possessions on defense with Jamison on the floor.

And he's being backed up by a pretty good defender in Andray Blatche.

The Wizards are 3 games over .500, and are doing this without Gilbert Arenas for the entire season (basically), and without Caron Butler for 20 games. There's a reason we're able to hang in there and still be a top-5 team in the East, and his name is Antawn Jamison.
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Post#13 » by orl1724 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:31 am

Magic could use a PF like that a S&T with Hedo involved would be nice both ways IMO
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Post#14 » by sarah42 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:35 am

i don't hate the dude miller.

but i doubt he really likes his percentages.
at the same time, other dudes shoot at the PF and are around 50% for the year.

thank god the wizards are in the east.

he's obviously their mvp this year with gilbert out.
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Post#15 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:41 am

sarah42 wrote:i don't hate the dude miller.

but i doubt he really likes his percentages.
at the same time, other dudes shoot at the PF and are around 50% for the year.

thank god the wizards are in the east.

he's obviously their mvp this year with gilbert out.


Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't think you hate him. I just think that you have a misconstrued view of his production. Field Goal % has been completely and totally worthless ever since the introduction of the 3pt line back in the 70's (I think it was the 70's). It's been effectively replaced by eFG% and TS%.

This is a good link for %'s.

Shooting

Another stat that should be replaced is FG%. Why? Field goal percentage doesn
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Post#16 » by celticfan42487 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:50 am

Well I wouldn't say completely replaced. A miss shot is still a miss shot no matter where you take it from. And both can lead to the other team running on you in a fast break scenerio.

eFG% is a much better representation of how talented a shooter is, but a more talented shooter doesn't always mean a better player especially when we are talking about big men [Antoine Walker's career comes to mind as an example]
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Post#17 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:54 am

celticfan42487 wrote:Well I wouldn't say completely replaced. A miss shot is still a miss shot no matter where you take it from. And both can lead to the other team running on you in a fast break scenerio.

eFG% is a much better representation of how talented a shooter is, but a more talented shooter doesn't always mean a better player especially when we are talking about big men [Antoine Walker's career comes to mind as an example]


I don't follow. eFG% and TS% are basically the same thing as fg%, but they have corrected the flaws of fg%. That's why it's been "effectively replaced".
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Post#18 » by tkunit » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:09 am

Stop looking at him as a Pf. Within the system the Wiz runs he plays the Forward spot there really is no difference between pf and sf on the offensive end. He takes a few to many 3's which hurt his fg% and is the focus of the D for a good part of the year with gil and caron out. Those factors drop down his %.

He still has a really good +/-. He would shoot better if he wasn't the main option.

Aside from all this I expect him to get 9mil a year for 3 or so. most likely from the wizz. I see other teams trying to offer him money and to bring him in as a 6th man volume scorer. while the wizz will give him the starting job.
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Post#19 » by HumbleBumbleBee » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:44 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:Trade him for VC!!


+1 ...throw in some cash and its a deal
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Post#20 » by nate33 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:20 am

miller31time wrote:He's improved his defense so that it's average by NBA standards. And statistically, he is 3rd in the NBA in +/- (at last check) with an on/off of +18.2.

Actually, he leads the league. But let's not split hairs.

celticfan42487 wrote:Well I wouldn't say completely replaced. A miss shot is still a miss shot no matter where you take it from. And both can lead to the other team running on you in a fast break scenerio.

You've got it backwards. If anything, it's BETTER to shoot exclusively 3-pointers at a 33% clip than it is to shoot exclusively 2-pointers at a 50% clip. Both players will have an eFG% of 50%, but the guy who shoots threes will give his team more opportunities for offensive rebounds.

Consider a 3-point chucker who goes 4-12. That's 12 points on 12 shots. But that's also 8 missed shots. Teams grab the offensive board 30% of the time so his teammates would grab almost 3 of those misses.

If 2-Point Shooter goes 6-12, he also scores 12 points on 12 shots. But his teammates get only 6 opportunities for offensive boards. They'll grab slightly less than 2 of them. Ergo, 3-point Chucker ended up providing his team with one additional possession over the course of the game.

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