Shaq: too protected? (merged threads)
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:38 am
by HarlemHeat37
Has Shaquille O'Neal been too protected by the media, the L and fans of the game?..
it seems as if he has been running his mouth non-stop for the last few months and blaming everybody else for the decline in his game..his recent comments about Chris Quinn and Ricky Davis is what sparked this thread..why make the excuses anyways? is Shaq that self-conscious about his legacy? it seems like he is looking to blame everybody in the Heat organization for his decline..I don't see the point in throwing their organization under the bus and throwing his former teammates under the bus..is Shaq that immature?..
this is coming from someone that is known for hating Kobe Bryant and blamed him for most of the Shaq incident..but after seeing how Shaq has acted the last few years with everything, did Kobe shoulder too much blame? Shaq just keeps coming off as an immature, self-conscious guy with concerns about how everyone will view his legacy..
is Shaq too protected? he is viewed as a "goofy", funny, likable guy that is loved by the media and most fans..he's the best interview in the game and a top 10 player of all-time..I agree with all this, and I've been a fan of his this whole time..but do we ignore the negative aspects of Shaq too much? the immaturity? the lazyness? the need for someone to blame other than himself?..
I'm starting to think that Kobe got too much blame..
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:45 am
by Cevap
Shaq is a sly fox who can get over on fans's good side because he's funny and has a pretty easy going personality on TV.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:47 am
by ljp24
Shaq is the black Brett Favre. They could say they were helping Osama and nobody would care.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:57 am
by GJense4181
^No.
Brett Favre was enjoyable because he never lost his enthusiasm for the game or took a game/practice/week/season off. He played longer than conventional wisdom would say he should have, and battled injury and personal crises for the sake of his team.
Football was Brett Favre's passion.
Shaq wants to be a cop and hasn't retired yet due to $$$
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:01 am
by HarlemHeat37
Favre definitely had some questionable moments like the hypocrisy with the Javon Walker incident, but he was loved more because of his ironman streak and the fact that he was always humble and acted like a regular person..
Shaq also gets a pass for quitting on the Heat, which is ridiculous..I realize that he led the Lakers to multiple titles, but how can an all-time great just quit on his team like that?..I can't imagine Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant quitting on their teams..Kobe even came out and played his hardest during the period where he wanted to be traded..
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:02 am
by Vindicater
Shaq owns the world
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:17 am
by Jemini80
Favre was a drug addict, and hijacked his franchise's off-season for the past 3 years. Don't ever disrespect Shaq by comparing him to a drug addict, and a player who cracked as a player and hasn't been great since he threw 6 INTs against STL in the playoffs. Favre is a hack, wanted to retire for the past 3 years, but waited till he finally miraculously had a good season so when he left the game people wouldn't call him washed up.
Shaq gets a free pass because he is a championship winner, and will lead the Suns to the conference finals this year. What he has said is true, the Heat were a joke, and an aging superstar does not deserve that situation. Shaq has earned the ability to speak out like that. I mean if he spoke some lies, like I'm glad to be on a real franchise now where I don't have Wade, and a horrible coach in Riley. Then we could all flip out. Quinn and Davis are bums.
It would basically be the equivalent of Shaq getting traded from the Knicks and him saying he is happy to be in a real franchise and not be asked to play with Mardy Collins and Jamal Crawford. Shaq brings home championships, he can say whatever he wants.
But yes, this does go to the bigger picture which is obvious. When you are good to the media, they will be good to you. Some examples, John McCain answers all reporters questions and is always willing to give interviews, which makes all the media outlets love him and they all came to his defense when the lobbyist thing came up. Barry Bonds is an **** to the media, and he was immediately hung out to dry when accusations came, while Roger Clemens who everyone loves had some people defend him when real proof came up.
Shaq is everything right with the league, and the league will miss him so much when he is gone. It will be like when Jordan left, but for different reasons, we won't realize what we have until it is gone.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:28 am
by scwarrior
uuhhhh wow ^^^
Brett Favre never blamed a teammate.
Both were coddled by the media, much like Steve Young was. (I'm a niner fan btw).
But the above reply is totally uncalled for.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:33 am
by Flash3
It still amazes me as to why a player as good as Shaq is/was, as great a person/personality he is to the game and the sport, and as respected he is around the league, cannot just keep his mouth shut, but instead take unneeded shots at players/teams he has no bearing with anymore.
The Quinn & Davis comment was more so a backhanded indirect shot @ Riley, for getting him crap role players. He's to smart (I think) to directly take a shot @ Riley. I don't think I'll ever get him. -- This organization found a way to move him to a contender, so he wouldn't spend the last few years of his career on a rebuilding team, of sorts, and he still doesn't show any appreciation, that is what gets to me as a fan.
Riley responded, but respectfully.....
"It's sad that he says those things. We shared so much here, together, for three years, good and bad, 3
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:40 am
by HarlemHeat37
that's the same way I felt Flash..
that's why I think Shaq is just a self-conscious and immature man..he either needed someone else to blame to protect himself and the way he's declining, or just an excuse for his lazyness and lack of effort in Miami, in case people question why he has been better in Phoenix..
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:45 am
by 10scott10
I definitly feel he has been kinda overprotected by the media in the same way they were with jordan.
On the court, however, he is one of the least protected guys out there. i mean i am not a huge fan of him, but it is true. he can get hacked at, and hit, and smothered and not get a call. then he can brush someone who flops, and he gets called for the foul.
I like to think the two kinda just equal eachother out in some kind of basketball karma.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:46 am
by Flash3
HarlemHeat37 wrote:that's the same way I felt Flash..
that's why I think Shaq is just a self-conscious and immature man..he either needed someone else to blame to protect himself and the way he's declining, or just an excuse for his lazyness and lack of effort in Miami, in case people question why he has been better in Phoenix..
it's also another to openly criticize the Miami training staff, led by Ron Culp; who is also the lead trainer for Team USA and has been for quite some time now.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:02 am
by Rooster
I haven't read these comments. May someone please link me to them?
Calling out Chris Quinn is tasteless regardless. Quinn is a backup PG who has had to bust his ass just to stay in the league. Obviously there wasn't a blockbuster deal to acquire him. Maybe Shaq would be wise to take from a guy who wasn't pampered since high school and drafted #1 overall.
Shaq shouldn't be getting a free pass. If he wants one, he can start playing defence. He can also consider the impact of his contract on the team's cap situation.
Why does Riley appear so shocked? I wouldn't be. Besides, at this point, I'd take the Heat's long-term outlook over the Suns' any day.
Jemini80,
here's my view on Favre. Also, I don't see how his past painkiller addiction is relevant.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:16 am
by Flash3
Rooster wrote:I haven't read these comments. May someone please link me to them?
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ns/?page=2
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:40 am
by HarlemHeat37
here are some quotes from the article that I read..
''I love playing for this coach and I love playing with these guys,'' O'Neal was quoted as saying in The Boston Globe about Suns coach Mike D'Antoni and his new teammates. ``We have professionals who know what to do. No one is asking me to play with [Heat guards] Chris Quinn or Ricky Davis. I'm actually on a team again.''
Quinn and Davis were stunned and disappointed when they learned of O'Neal's comments before Wednesday's game.
''You can't really take stuff personal in the NBA -- you'd go crazy,'' Davis said. ``Shaq's a big guy, whatever. If that's how he feels, that's how he feels. It shows his true colors.''
''It's really a shame that he would insult those people like that, because they gave him care,'' Riley said of Selesnick and Heat trainer Ron Culp. ``They didn't kiss his butt. They cared about trying to get him well. He can do whatever he wants to with me. I don't care. What upsets me is that those men sort of get tainted.''
Shaq is like a 5-year old..I actually just gained a little more respect for Kobe, believe it or not..
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:46 am
by Farsi Man
IMO Kobe just conducts himself badly in front of the media. He's not friendly with them and doesn't know how to control them like MJ and Shaq do. MJ constantly used to rip his opponents. The kind of stuff that would kill Kobe today but he always used to know how to charm the media.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:57 am
by NO-KG-AI
He deserves it, the refs sure don't protect him, they let him get blasted on every play.

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:20 am
by mkwest
Shaq has done this time and time again. I'm not trying to be funny or anything but he acts as though he is owed something. I think that it may extend from his childhood and being abandoned by his biological father. I think that is a possible reason why he is quick to blame and point fingers at others. He is quick to make snide remarks about people (and organizations) that are no longer in his life. It also makes him look hypocritical because everything is always someone else's fault. I would have liked to see him mature in that aspect but it's kind of same old story with him.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:21 am
by The_Believer
Shaq has never gotten into any legal trouble or drug trouble IIRC, which is actually quite amazing. Yes, he has gotten into some controversy (like the Yao comments awhile back), but overall he has a clean slate with the law. Plus, when people get arrested, he'll likely be the one catching them.
On the other hand, Kobe (and among many others probably)has gotten into legal troubles more times than anybody except for probably AI and Artest, and always lets his mouth fly with teammates and refs. And if you don't call his comments about Bynum over this past summer quitting, then idk what is.
To answer the original question, big market stars are in general way too over-protected by the media. But for Shaq, he is sometimes so protected he isn't protected.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:27 am
by Jemini80
Shaq has two teammates that are far more protected than him though. No one ever brings up that as good as Nash is on offense, he is equally bad on defense. Same with Amare. Amare makes some stupid comments about his apparent greatness as well.