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The most enraging and preposterously underrated...

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 11:42 am
by Duiz
So I was thinking about how underrated so many teams, players and just things are. I swear sometimes this place is filled by people who watch basketball once a week, and they either watch Boston, Dallas, Los Angeles, or Phoenix, and that was the end of the story. I felt sick with lack of media coverage of many of the great stories in the NBA, and it does make me angry. Many things that have transpired throughout the season have gone under radar and I have decided to share with you the most enraging and preposterous underrated in the NBA.

Teams:
East - Philadelphia 76ers: 28-7 in the last 34 games
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They started flat down terrible, and were getting owned in terrible fashion. Even their own fan base were producing the worst attendance numbers in history for the 76ers. But Cheeks has made his point accross and they got it together. 76ers are playing stifling defense in one side of the floor, producing opponent turnovers, and running the fast breaks with athletic players. From Young, Green, Ollie, and Iguodala, and a nightly Fort Knox effort by Dalembert. They have beaten Boston, San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Orlando and the list goes on. The coaching staff and the caliber of players had been long underrated.

West - Utah Jazz: 14-9 vs Top 9 West Teams
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So you win a 7 game series on the road (20% chance), get to the WCF, and still get no respect. So yes, Utah Jazz are the only division leading team that has a losing record. But lets take other things into account in the record such as the fact the their 14-9 against the playoff teams in the Western Conference is second best. Or how about being the only Western Conference team to beat Boston in Boston or been sweeping the Pistons for a couple of years now. How about in the era of the Nuggets, Suns, and Warriors, that Jazz are #1 in scoring efficiency. Road woes are a big distractor. Did you knew that if the Jazz would have beaten the Knicks, T-Wolves (x2), and Miami they would be alone in the top of the West. Let alone beat the 12 games on the road they lost to out of playoff teams, they could be right now with the Celtics. The Jazz ARE CONTENDERS, and people are still blind enough to get confused about records. It's all gonna be about matchups.

Miscellaneous Awards:

6th Man - Jason Maxiell & Paul Millsap: 7.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg | 8.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg
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Do they post numbers like Manu Ginobli? Definitely not. But their strength to enhance both of their benches lies in their hustles and inside play. These underrated set of players provide hustle, get offensive boards, block shots, score points, dunk seriously to increase morale, and if injury happens to important players, can step up and go for 20+ pts, 15+ reb nights easily. With starter minutes, they could easily be 20/10ers.

Veteran - Andre Miller: 17 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.9 apg
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32 years old, traded to this team for their franchise player. During the same time, Chris Webber also resigns from the team. Doom and the end of his career seemed to begin to happen. However, Andre Miller has not let down, and now he is putting prime numbers to feed the resurgent 76ers with no superstars. Downright the most underrated veteran.

International - Hidayet Turkoglu: 19.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4.9 apg
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When we think international we think Steve Nash, Manu Ginobli, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, and Yao Ming. But Hedo has been putting career best numbers this year, and at times has carried his team on his back and has knocked down several game winning shots this year. Should have been an All-Star this year, but was looked down. Very much the most underrated international player.

Rookie - Carl Landry: 8.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, .629 FG%
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During the Rockets hot winning streak, everyone looked at the void in the starting lineup and how Scola would feel it, but it was Carl Landry who was playing stiffling defense and putting very efficient numbers of a very slow paced team that make him easily be ignored in stat sheets. His contribution to the streak and throughout this year is simply invaluable.

Coach - Eddie Jordan: 38-36 record in 07-08
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Wouldn't it be easy to be Rivers and have a contender roster automatically, and at best lose one starter for short periods? So what do you when your 1st player, 2nd player, and then over half of your starters go down? Run away? Tank for picks? Knicks 2.0? Not Eddie Jordan. Playing with a Roster of only 9 players as of late, he is still kicking around, and his team is 5th on the East. The Wizards have learned to live without their prolific scorers mainly due to great team defense and excellent isolation sets around the perimeter, as well as good passing for points in the paint. Overhyped Cleveland Cavalier are just 3 games ahead of the team that has most games missed by injury this year. Critics won't unzip Adelman's, and Scott's pants, but I will tell it right, and people greatly underestimate Eddie Jordan


Trade - UTA/PHI: Gordan Giricek+2nd rnd pck 09 for Kyle Korver
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Utah shares the best record since the start of 08 with the Rockets, and have added depth and a lot of firepower to their great weakness of outside shooting. Philadelphia has had the hottest record since waiving Gordan Giricek, since players like Willie Green and Rodney Carney have remerged. And after Gordan Giricek joined the team, the Suns had gone into mad streak and have regained their contending confidence thanks to his proven outside shooting, ability to create his own shot and to take it to the basket along with perimeter defense. Gasol trade was risky, as it was a lot of money into one player, and depth is gone once he is gone too. This trade was the very first of the year, and has gone under the radar. Without any franchise names involved it ran stealthily, but this trade without a doubt has had the greatest impact this year.

Players

5. Al Jefferson: 21 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 50 dbl-dbl
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He is 23 years old, and this 4 year veteran would probably be coming out of college as a senior looking to hopefully be drafted high. Rather than that, he took into the NBA early, and right now he is a Double double beast. His career high in points is of 40, and also earlier this year he recorded a career best 22 rebounds. He is the franchise player, and he is doing all of this while being slightly undersized for a PF/C, and without a decent PG. This guy is gonna be HOF is no injuries come along.

4. Jose Calderon: 11.9 ppg, 8.3 apg, .529 fg%
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Chris Paul's efficiency numbers are historically great, probably the highest ever recorded in a season. To me, it is abosutely numbing to see that he is king in the NBA with 5.9 TO/AST ratio. Also his shooting percentages are sick with .529 FG % and a sniper like .443 3FG%. These numbers are king among PGs, and he is just hands down the atomic clock PG that is having a stocktonesque year. His numbers would be much higher if Sam Mitchell would utilize him more. Even then, I am shocked he is never considered the MVP of the Raptors this year.

3. Chris Kaman: 15.7 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 2.8 bpg
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So the Denver Nuggets got 2 players into the All-Star game, and people were saying it was a travesty that Marcus Camby didn't get in even as a reserve. Marcus Camby is labeled as the most underated big man, but even then, he is overated compared to Chris Kaman. Do you see those monster numbers. He puts up great defense, and has a very quality offensive set which under a system that has a decent power forward that will spread the floor and also just a decent point guard other than Knight or Dickau he could be 20/15 guy. The guy is a monster, and should be hidden gem for GMs to hunt this summer.

2. Deron Williams: 19.3 ppg, 10.5 apg, 48 dbl-dbl
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Deron Williams is just a crime how overlooked he has been. Last year he had a very strong case but the commissioner decided to put injury plagued Allen and Okur rather than anoint him as an All-Star. Funny you see lists all around of the best point guards, and Deron is usually ranked far behind Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, and Reggie Miller he says he will be a Baron Davis in about 5 years. Didn't Brandon Roy actually make the All-Star this year in front of Deron too, even after Deron took his team to the WCF? Deron has accomplished crazy feats like having the most assists in two games total in over a decade, and also have the most assists in a month, even then, his stats don't compare to other PGs and Marc Stein best explains, "There are still plenty of GMs who would take D-Will over Paul because of his all-around floor game and his size/durability advantages. Don't forget that Williams will never have the gaudier numbers in Utah's system, where he's often throwing the ball ahead and giving it up a lot more than Paul has to." This guy is 1-2, 2-1 with CP3 career wise. Nuff said.

1. Kevin Martin: 23 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.1
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K-Money is ranked 7th in points per game behind Nowitzki and Stoudamire. Is this guy for real? He also shoots the less shots of the top 10 scorers in the NBA, yet still produces more points. He also has the deficiency of not having a good point guard to set him up for shots, so therefore he has to create his own. By far the most despicably underrated player in the NBA. I can't believe the empty All-Star selections, the inexcusable lack of invitations to Team USA (and they are aching for perimeter offense).

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Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 12:46 pm
by 5DOM
Players:
1. Rasho Nesterovic
2. Primo Brezec

Teams:
East - Philly
West - none

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 1:31 pm
by G35
Well now you got it out there....you feel better now?......

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 1:46 pm
by Liqourish
G35 wrote:Well now you got it out there....you feel better now?......


He makes great points and really touches down on stories that should be talked about but are backburned for Lebron/Celtics/Kobe/Suns.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 1:48 pm
by BRINGTHEPAIN
Providing that Kevin Martin doesn't become injury-prone he will have a very prolific career. Eventually the numbers alone will make it impossible to deny him as one of the most unstoppable scorers in the nba.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 1:49 pm
by magicfan4life05
Liqourish wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



He makes great points and really touches down on stories that should be talked about but are backburned for Lebron/Celtics/Kobe/Suns.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 1:52 pm
by NetsForce
I'm not quite sure if the Sixers are legit. On one hand they're winning with defense right now, and fluke teams generally don't go through stretches of good defense as long as this. However, on the other hand when you look at the players on the Sixers roster, they're just not that good.

At the NBA level you can't keep winning with just effort and hard work, you need talent as well. I compare what the Sixers are doing right now to what the injury-depleted Wizards did to begin the year.

The difference between the Wizards and Sixers though is that while the Wizards started the year off hot and have faded as of late, the Sxiers started off the year poorly but have started to play a lot better.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:06 pm
by G35
Liqourish wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



He makes great points and really touches down on stories that should be talked about but are backburned for Lebron/Celtics/Kobe/Suns.



He does make good points but the main point is that Lebron/Kobe/KG/Laker/Cavs/Suns draw more interest overall.


Tell me that's not a fact......

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:07 pm
by CzBoobie
Philly is probably the first team ever to go 28-7 in 34 games...

(j/k)

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:17 pm
by Liqourish
G35 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
He does make good points but the main point is that Lebron/Kobe/KG/Laker/Cavs/Suns draw more interest overall.


Tell me that's not a fact......



It's a fact that Lebron/Kobe/Lakers/Cavs/Suns are better known because they are on national tv or talked about non-stop... doesn't take away from the fact that there are other teams, other players and more interesting stories for the season than what is being represented.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:28 pm
by G35
Liqourish wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




It's a fact that Lebron/Kobe/Lakers/Cavs/Suns are better known because they are on national tv or talked about non-stop... doesn't take away from the fact that there are other teams, other players and more interesting stories for the season than what is being represented.



Why are they on national tv all the time?

Tell me why do the networks choose Lebron, Kobe, Nash, Shaq, KG, Yao, Dirk to put on tv? Why do the networks put on the Lakers, Celtics, Suns, Rockets on nat'l tv the most?

They have an agenda? Is that it?

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 3:43 pm
by Champipple
Eddie Jordan looks like Bowser from the Mario games.

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Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 3:45 pm
by Hangtime84
Cavs aren't fun to watch...

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 3:54 pm
by DaFili
G35 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




Why are they on national tv all the time?

Tell me why do the networks choose Lebron, Kobe, Nash, Shaq, KG, Yao, Dirk to put on tv? Why do the networks put on the Lakers, Celtics, Suns, Rockets on nat'l tv the most?

They have an agenda? Is that it?


:crazy: wow, he was simply stating that the marketability of the superstars has out shadowed the accomplishments of certain players/teams that should be garnering there own recognition.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 3:57 pm
by Man_Up
Star Player: Paul Pierce

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 4:13 pm
by C'mon Cavs
I agree that Deron Williams is very underrated. I love his game and he is going to be a star for a long time.

I feel that Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are both underrated. Parker especially. Everyone always seems to want to trash Parker but when you are that fast and can finish that well, you deserve a lot of praise.

As far as teams go, the Magic might be underrated, but they'll show us for sure in the playoffs.

Re: The most enraging and preposterously underrated...

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 4:29 pm
by generic_two
Duiz wrote:Gasol trade was risky, as it was a lot of money into one player, and depth is gone once he is gone too.


Zuh? When you have a chance to get Gasol for two players who aren't even in your best ten, you pull the trigger every time.

I agree with a lot of your sentiments, but anyone who follows basketball has heard plenty of these storylines, so I don't get where the rage is coming from.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 5:29 pm
by BooRadley
I've seen coverage on everything he's listed. Why would any of those stories dominate the NBA media coverage? I think they get just the right amount of media attention.

Posted: Wed Apr 2, 2008 5:56 pm
by Duiz
They are underrated. Cavaliers will get more coverage. You know the 212 assists in a month, and ESPN's complete blank out in their minds about Deron's achievement. Eddie Jordan should be in talks for coach of the year as much as Maurice Cheeks or pehaps even Doc Rivers.

And K-Mart has had a few problems with injuries this season, but the guy was putting sick numbers earlier this year and still went unnoticed. I don't know even why he is ignored today from anything or everything. Brandon Roy became an all-star, and his team is just one position in front of the Kings.

National Media only cares about marketable players. I tell you, Jordan Farmar has gotten 80 times more than Jose Calderon. Has anyone forgotten of Andre Miller and how he is posting such great numbers there.

There is just many things that don't get mere enough attention, while others keep getting overhyped, like how Chris Paul is baby jesus and no one is close to him. He is really good, but he ain't alone, just people can't stand the idea of deattaching to Nash, and very stagnant Jason Kidd.

Chris Kaman... Come ON! I just heard he got injured today and might just be out for the couple of weeks left on the season, but that guy I am amazed he is not in trade talks or anything of that sort. He would made any Top 9 team in the West frontrun contenders automatically.

It makes you feel like you are watching Nazi television when you watch ESPN