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Most efficient/wasteful franchises ($$$)

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 7:27 pm
by 2poor
From SI.com

Most efficient:

1.) Hornets ($1.11M per win)
2.) Jazz ($1.12M per win)
T-4.) Pistons ($1.14M per win)
T-4.) Magic ($1.14M per win)
5.) Celtics ($1.15M per win)

Most wasteful:

1.) Heat ($5.39M per win)
2.) Knicks ($4.33M per win)
3.) Sonics ($3.18M per win)
4.) T'Wolves ($3.05M per win)

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Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:14 pm
by loserX
Pretty impressive that the Pistons are still up there. Dumars knows what he's doing.

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:17 pm
by BirdIsDaKing
...knicks should be number one through five

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:37 pm
by Red Robot
Stuff like this doesn't take into account salary structure of the NBA, or the fact that most players are on multi-year deals. To really find out who's most efficient, you'd need to look at past and future team performance. For example, the Heat just won a title and they're still paying for it. The Hornets and Jazz have their star point guards on rookie contracts in part because they got high lottery picks a couple years ago. (Just an example; both teams are actually pretty impressive considering they each had some large free agent signings that drew a lot of criticism.)

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:39 pm
by RockTHECasbah
I agree. Take the aggregate over the last 5 or 10 years.

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 9:30 pm
by Slava
Not surprising because Hornets/Jazz and Magic have thier franchise players still on rookie contracts.

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 9:50 pm
by Cruel_Ruin
j-far wrote:Not surprising because Hornets/Jazz and Magic have thier franchise players still on rookie contracts.


:nod:

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 9:54 pm
by Anticon
I agree with the point about rookie contracts and long term success. Although in today's NBA it is practically necessary to have one or two contributing players on rookie contracts, since you're essentially paying them nearly nothing. Rookie contracts are a big part of flexibility.

Taking from that, you would think the Pistons are the most efficient team. And they probably are, based on the current salaries of their starting 5. But they've always utilized guys on rookie contracts to succeed - Prince, Okur, Stuckey, Maxiell- so it's not like they're immune from that problem.

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 9:56 pm
by Cruel_Ruin
Anticon wrote:I agree with the point about rookie contracts and long term success. Although in today's NBA it is practically necessary to have one or two contributing players on rookie contracts, since you're essentially paying them nearly nothing. Rookie contracts are a big part of flexibility.

Taking from that, you would think the Pistons are the most efficient team. And they probably are, based on the current salaries of their starting 5. But they've always utilized guys on rookie contracts to succeed - Prince, Okur, Stuckey, Maxiell- so it's not like they're immune from that problem.


Agreed that Detroit is the most efficient franchise. But still, you can't call a franchise efficient when you have MVP type players (CP3, Deron, Howard) who would easily be max deals, still on Rookie deals.

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:13 pm
by RockTHECasbah
Even if you increase Paul's salary the franchise is still efficient, not superefficient, but efficient

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:19 pm
by SlickWilly8
BirdIsDaKing wrote:...knicks should be number one through five
:nod:

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:34 pm
by G-Heel
No Spurs? I think they're the most efficient franchise, able to win without high salaries. Most wasteful have to be Knicks.

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:01 pm
by Alex_De_Large
sonics and wolves are not really there, the players who got more money don't even play...

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:37 pm
by Hemingway
Not that it is all that much, but the Wolves are wasting Walker. I mean, whats the deal here? I'm sure they could work some sort of buyout I can't imagine he wants to stay there.

My team, The Celtics, are set up pretty well as far as efficiency goes. The big are paid a lot but deliver, Rondo plays well above his rookie pay, Posey plays a bit above what he is paid and Brown and Cassell are in on the cheap as well. The real key however is having no one on the bench eating up big bucks. The only tiny bit of dead weight is Scalabrine but aparently he is a great practice player and lockerroom guy so who cares.

Posted: Sat Apr 5, 2008 12:48 am
by andyhop
Hemingway wrote:Not that it is all that much, but the Wolves are wasting Walker. I mean, whats the deal here? I'm sure they could work some sort of buyout I can't imagine he wants to stay there.

My team, The Celtics, are set up pretty well as far as efficiency goes. The big are paid a lot but deliver, Rondo plays well above his rookie pay, Posey plays a bit above what he is paid and Brown and Cassell are in on the cheap as well. The real key however is having no one on the bench eating up big bucks. The only tiny bit of dead weight is Scalabrine but aparently he is a great practice player and lockerroom guy so who cares.


Walker wants every penny he is owed in a buyout from the reports ,whilst the Wolves want a decent discount on his remaining contract amount to buy him out .If they don't get that they will keep him around to see if they can use his expiring deal to work a trade and if that fails they will buy him out sometime after the trade deadline next year.

Walker sees himself as entitled to leave with all the cash because he won't get playing time and the Wolves see him as a potential trade asset that they won't give up without there being a benefit for them.

Posted: Sat Apr 5, 2008 1:03 am
by tmorgan
Joe D, while not the world's best drafter (especially with lottery picks), has this category on lock. No wasteful contracts, and when he makes a mistake, he owns up to it almost immediately and makes a move (shipping Nazr out, for example).