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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfoxJHmpewg

???

What?

The soccer chants?

what, you want the nba to be hard to understand?

So you want crowds to use sing-songy chants and wave huge flags? Because that's the only difference. Watch a Celtics home game in the playoffs, especially a Game 7 if there's one. Just as intense, just as much energy. I do kind of wish fans here could muster the collective mind to do longer sing-songy chants spontaneously. All we can do are short ones, like "***-hole". Everything else is monotonous, like "M-V-P".

Mr. Savage... Read all of the posts above mine, and you will get why. USA fans just really suck.

NBA fans watch the game like they watch a movie. They are there to be entertained while fans in Europe go to a game to support their team. It's not uncommon to see fights prior or after a game. I don't think any sport has that sort of mentality in the US. A reason why might be that in Europe the police won't do anything and in the US you get put in prison?

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floris_ wrote:NBA fans watch the game like they watch a movie. They are there to be entertained while fans in Europe go to a game to support their team. It's not uncommon to see fights prior or after a game. I don't think any sport has that sort of mentality in the US. A reason why might be that in Europe the police won't do anything and in the US you get put in prison?

LOOOL what the police don't do anything?

And fights occur only between hooligan groups who don't really come to games(soccer) to support their team but pick a fight.

Hooligans don't go to basketball games in Europe they mostly stick to the streets and soccer games.

Basketball fans support their team, to give them the real home court advantage scream their heart out, and then go home, no violence is involved in basketball most of the time.

You have bad examples, but so does the NBA, and incident like the brawl has never happened in Europe not that i know of anyway, may be some backward league, but not in the euroleague or ULEB cup.

Also games in Europe don't last almost 3 hours like in the NBA so fans have more energy to focus on the game, and not on the show, we come to watch basketball and only basketball, well may be the cheerleaders they are nice too

But all in all its just a matter of tradition, not everyone in the arena sings and chants mostly its just the organized fan groups that do it, other spectators usually participate only in short chants.

So the biggest difference is that there are organized fan groups in Europe that go to games together and they pull the crowd in, where as in the NBA you don't have that.

floris_ wrote:NBA fans watch the game like they watch a movie. They are there to be entertained while fans in Europe go to a game to support their team. It's not uncommon to see fights prior or after a game. I don't think any sport has that sort of mentality in the US. A reason why might be that in Europe the police won't do anything and in the US you get put in prison?

I'm all for "dumb lazy self-absorbed American" generalizations...But that's absurd. I don't know, maybe it's just being in Boston where fans are just as intense as any in the world, maybe it really is tepid like that in other American cities, but I doubt it.

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I'm all for "dumb lazy self-absorbed American" generalizations...But that's absurd. I don't know, maybe it's just being in Boston where fans are just as intense as any in the world, maybe it really is tepid like that in other American cities, but I doubt it.

I hardly doubt Boston is as intense as any in the world.

The might be good for North American standards, but I doubt they hold a candle to the real intense derbys in europe like Fenerbahce vs. Galatasary, Red Star vs. Partizan, Real vs. Barca and so on.

Just watch this. I have never seen something like that in Boston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQAJH_JoXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mw8Hg6ADqY

Well, you should have rather posted this

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XgWjx2rI-f4

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9nn1ifs ... re=related

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQCiB2cS3WY


But I wouldn't diss the NBA fans, it's just another culture now, a lot more family orientated (and more expensive) and fans don't have such a connection to a franchise as you have to a club, where you can also play in yourself at younger levels and where you often visit als the football games of your club.

Just different and everyone has their favourite style to watch the games.

The old Boston Garden atmosphere for instance had been fantastic, very similar atmosphere as in Europe, but with Stern forcing to build all these new arenas without a soul and only for rich businessmen and a lot of space between the seats it has been declining a lot over the past 20 years.

Only thing I really don't like about the NBA is that the players don't really seem to care abou the fans after a game. Even after big, emotional victories players disappear almost instantly to the locker rooms instread of celebrating together with the fans, having a bit of small talk or signing autographs. Not very nice.
Just remember these shameful championship celebrations in the arena cellars if you win the title on the road. They should do it on the court, for god's sake.

Because tickets are priced too high... easy enough to understand. Look what's happening in the premier league stadium since they have raised their price.

cheering loudly or chanting=/=passion.

I love the game of basketball as much as anyone, i'm very passionate about the game, and my team, but you won't see me jumping up and down like a jackass in the crowd unless something really great happens.

Simply put North Americans care too much about how they look in front of other people to cheer like that. They are afraid some big exec or some other highly regarded twat is going to see them, and it could ruin their image.

If tics were cheaper you wouldn't get all these corporate people at the games, and the crowds would be SO much better.

If games here were like they are in Europe, a $200 ticket would definitely be worth it. If you don't get into the game, and create an exciting atmosphere, you might as well be home watching it on the TV.

NO-KG-AI wrote:cheering loudly or chanting=/=passion.

I love the game of basketball as much as anyone, i'm very passionate about the game, and my team, but you won't see me jumping up and down like a jackass in the crowd unless something really great happens.

way to call people who live the european fan culture jackasses. would not expect that from a mod.

Alyosha12 wrote:LOOOL what the police don't do anything?

And fights occur only between hooligan groups who don't really come to games(soccer) to support their team but pick a fight.

Hooligans don't go to basketball games in Europe they mostly stick to the streets and soccer games.

Basketball fans support their team, to give them the real home court advantage scream their heart out, and then go home, no violence is involved in basketball most of the time.

You have bad examples, but so does the NBA, and incident like the brawl has never happened in Europe not that i know of anyway, may be some backward league, but not in the euroleague or ULEB cup.

Also games in Europe don't last almost 3 hours like in the NBA so fans have more energy to focus on the game, and not on the show, we come to watch basketball and only basketball, well may be the cheerleaders they are nice too

But all in all its just a matter of tradition, not everyone in the arena sings and chants mostly its just the organized fan groups that do it, other spectators usually participate only in short chants.

So the biggest difference is that there are organized fan groups in Europe that go to games together and they pull the crowd in, where as in the NBA you don't have that.

You are right that I was comparing soccer in Europe to basketball in the US. I guess you can't do that.

I still disagree with you that fans really support their team. I see people mostly seated with a lot of food being entertained by their favorite team. That's the same way I watch a movie and it's not showing passion or support for your team imo.

Dawkins also made some good points that I pretty much agree with.

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way to call people who live the european fan culture jackasses. would not expect that from a mod.

I don't beat around the bush, if that's what I was trying to say, I would have.

floris_ wrote:It's not uncommon to see fights prior or after a game. I don't think any sport has that sort of mentality in the US. A reason why might be that in Europe the police won't do anything and in the US you get put in prison?

They don't fight because they're passionate about the game; those are actually just glorified gang fights. They travel around specifically looking to pick fights with other jackasses who also pretend to be "fans". It's pathetic behavior. I don't think we should put it up on a pedestal.

As for lack of intensity in American sports venues... it's sort of true, yes. I guess I can't generalize from my experience with one team, but when I lived in Scotland, I went to a couple football games, and they're certainly more intense than the NBA and NFL games I've been to in the States, but at the same time I prefer the atmosphere in the States. There was a sort of mean-spirited nature to the intensity (chants had strong anti-Catholic or anti-Protestant themes, everyone was always cussing, etc.). Maybe I'm just wimpy.

any NBA crowd > any European crowd

The NBA crowd watches the game with class and dignity. I mean just look at what happened at the palace when the Detroit fans started a mob, they got some major ownage.