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Hollinger's All-Defensive Teams
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:18 am
by TMU
Free insider article:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/...nse-080410
1st Team
C - Duncan
PF - Garnett
SF - Prince
SG - Battier
PG - Rondo
2nd Team
C - Camby
PF - R. Wallace
SF - B. Bowen
SG - Bell
PG - Dooling
3rd Team
C - D. Howard
PF - Hayes
SF - Pierce
SG - Bryant
PG - Billups
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:21 am
by Derekman
Dooling?Really? Dooling? cmon, he's an okay defender, but seriously. Dooling? And Bell has been extremely overrated defensively.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:23 am
by richboy
3 Pistons and 3 Celtics. Not a shocker there. Your link doesn't work however. I'm guessing that either Garnett or Duncan would be his DPOY.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:24 am
by TAI8
Nice to see Pierce on it.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:29 am
by CBS7
TAI8 wrote:Nice to see Pierce on it.
Too bad that there is no real all defensive 3rd team.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:32 am
by T-Mac for MVP
richboy wrote:3 Pistons and 3 Celtics. Not a shocker there. Your link doesn't work however. I'm guessing that either Garnett or Duncan would be his DPOY.
Goes to show how team defense can affect such things.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:36 am
by RelativeZdot
Artest didnt make too many headlines but he played enough to be on there,
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:39 am
by pacers33granger
i really do not think camby should be on the 2nd team with how bad the nuggets defense is.
and putting rondo on 1st team and dooling on 2nd team, wtf? hollinger is an idiot. only thing he really got right is kg as dpoy, but thats kinda obvious at this point.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:42 am
by BRINGTHEPAIN
LOL how does Artest drop off so much to not even get on a defensive 3rd team? Hard to believe considering he was getting buzz for DPOY last season.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:47 am
by L-Burna89
pacers33granger wrote:i really do not think camby should be on the 2nd team with how bad the nuggets defense is.
How bad is it, in your opinion? It's at worst average in the league....so if a guy like Raja Bell can make an all-defensive team playing for a team who plays **** defense, Camby can do the same playing for an average defensive team. There are many reasons why you could argue Camby doesn't deserve it, but that is definitely not one of them IMO. Sadly, the defensive stats Camby puts up is always going to be enough to guarantee himself a spot on one of the teams. Over ten defensive rebounds, nearly four blocks, and over a steal per game is quite the line, even when he really isn't that good of a defender.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:51 am
by JES12
No Caron Butler or Chris Paul?
Really? Dooling over Paul, Kidd and Harris?
Pierce and Prince over Butler?
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:53 am
by A.J.
Im glad somebody thinks Battier is a defensive teamer.
Re: Hollinger's All-Defensive Teams
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:54 am
by JordansBulls
T-Mac United wrote:Free insider article:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/...nse-0804101st Team
C - Duncan
PF - Garnett
SF - Prince
SG - Battier
PG - Rondo
2nd Team
C - Camby
PF - R. Wallace
SF - B. Bowen
SG - Bell
PG - Dooling
3rd Team
C - D. Howard
PF - Hayes
SF - Pierce
SG - Bryant
PG - Billups
Isn't it only two teams for all defense?
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:18 am
by Duiz
JES12 wrote:No Caron Butler or Chris Paul?
Really? Dooling over Paul, Kidd and Harris?
Pierce and Prince over Butler?
Sorry bro.. but they are terribly overhyped.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:18 am
by Rasheeed!!!
I'd switch Sheed and Duncan.....take out Prince & Rondo altogether, stick in Stephen Jackson, and find a spot for Artests crazy self.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:52 pm
by eatyourchildren
The methodology used for his metric was done kinda poorly. Read his explanation of it.
But who cares? Defense is like, less than half of the NBA game! It's worth so much less than offense.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:57 pm
by pacers33granger
L-Burna89 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
How bad is it, in your opinion? It's at worst average in the league....so if a guy like Raja Bell can make an all-defensive team playing for a team who plays **** defense, Camby can do the same playing for an average defensive team. There are many reasons why you could argue Camby doesn't deserve it, but that is definitely not one of them IMO. Sadly, the defensive stats Camby puts up is always going to be enough to guarantee himself a spot on one of the teams. Over ten defensive rebounds, nearly four blocks, and over a steal per game is quite the line, even when he really isn't that good of a defender.
i see your point and agree that the stats he puts up will always pretty much give him a spot, but i think on the real second team, dwight deserves it more than camby. and i personally dont think bell deserves to be on it either.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:16 pm
by xcomputerman
I have absolutely no problems with anyone calling Rajon Rondo the best defensive point guard in the league, because that's exactly what he is.
And I'm no fan of his either.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:42 pm
by TooNice00
those teams suck.
Yao Ming
Dwight Howard
Ron Artest
Shane Battier
Chris Paul
would kill any of those teams on defense and would beat any of them too.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:08 pm
by C'mon Cavs
Varejao made honorable mention for power forwards which is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
He has been hideous on defense all year. His only good attribute on defense is his ability to draw charges, but he doesnt even do that anymore. He was decent earlier in the year, but since coming back from his injury he's been garbage on both ends of the floor.
LeBron needs to be in at least the honorable mention for small forwards. LeBron is far and away the best defender on the Cavs, so if Varejao can make honorable mention, LeBron deserves at least that much (I realize they play different positions).
I thought that all of his voting was terrible. Why was Tony Parker an honorable mention at PG? Has he gotten any better on D? Because if he hasnt, it's pathetic to include him.