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Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:13 pm**

I just read an article on ESPN about if a 4-way tie was to happen between Utah, San Antonio, Phoenix and Houston..the writer claims that it would end up in the order of: Utah, Phoenix, Houston, San Antonio, because he applied division records..

but I was reading up on the tiebreakers, and it says:

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:17 pm**

That would be awesome because Utah owns the tiebreaker against all three in that scenario.... so if Utah wins out they are guaranteed the 3rd seed.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:19 pm**

I think it is correct, also Utah would than have the tie breaker(head-to-head) against all the other teams.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:23 pm**

West is confusing..

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:01 pm**

It is a royal mess... I am not even going to try and figure it out.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:05 pm**

So UTAH could get the number one seed? West is too confusing.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:16 pm**

the Lakers are going to beat Sacto, so they'll have the #1 seed..that's pretty much the only guarantee at this point..

for my Spurs..

we need a W vs. Sacto and a loss vs. the Jazz..
we need Houston to get a L vs. Utah and a W vs. LAC..
we need Utah to get wins vs. Houston and against us..

but all this is meaningless, unless the Suns lose to either the Warriors or Blazers..

if that scenario plays out..the West ends up:
1-LA Lakers 57-25
2.NO Hornets 57-25
3.Utah Jazz 55-27
4.Houston or San Antonio 55-27
5.Houston or San Antonio 55-27
6.Phoenix 54-28

the Jazz would definitely be 3rd, but I have no idea who would be 4th..the H2H is tied..the Spurs have a better divisional record, but the Rockets have the better conference record..

if the Spurs go 2-0..
1.LA Lakers 57-25
2.NO Hornets 57-25
3.SA Spurs 56-26
4.Utah Jazz 55-27
5.Houston Rockets 55-27
6.Phoenix Suns 55-27

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:45 pm**

HarlemHeat37 wrote:the Lakers are going to beat Sacto, so they'll have the #1 seed..that's pretty much the only guarantee at this point..

for my Spurs..

we need a W vs. Sacto and a loss vs. the Jazz..
we need Houston to get a L vs. Utah and a W vs. LAC..
we need Utah to get wins vs. Houston and against us..

but all this is meaningless, unless the Suns lose to either the Warriors or Blazers..

if that scenario plays out..the West ends up:
1-LA Lakers 57-25
2.NO Hornets 57-25
3.Utah Jazz 55-27
4.Houston or San Antonio 55-27
5.Houston or San Antonio 55-27
6.Phoenix 54-28

the Jazz would definitely be 3rd, but I have no idea who would be 4th..the H2H is tied..the Spurs have a better divisional record, but the Rockets have the better conference record..

if the Spurs go 2-0..
1.LA Lakers 57-25
2.NO Hornets 57-25
3.SA Spurs 56-26
4.Utah Jazz 55-27
5.Houston Rockets 55-27
6.Phoenix Suns 55-27

Are you holding on to your chair? Try this out for size....
Following your preceding finish, add the fact that New Orleans loses to the Clippers and The Mavericks. Now you have a five way tie. I'm gonna need an excedrin.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:00 pm**

booyah wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you holding on to your chair? Try this out for size....
Following your preceding finish, add the fact that New Orleans loses to the Clippers and The Mavericks. Now you have a five way tie. I'm gonna need an excedrin.

Anybody want to calculate the standings if Phoenix/NO/Houston/Utah/SA all finish 55-27?

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:08 pm**

The first tie breaker is the record between teams that are tied, not the division record. Now tie breakers within the division are a different story, but those would only apply to determine the division winner, NOT the playoff seeding.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:32 pm**

We are going to need a degree in mathmatics to potentially figure out the west were a 50 win team wont make the playoffs

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:33 pm**

rsavaj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Anybody want to calculate the standings if Phoenix/NO/Houston/Utah/SA all finish 55-27?

Here's my Guess:

1. LA - Best Record/Division

Utah win's their division, guaranteeing a top-4 seed, and a tiebreaker is needed to decide NO/HOU/SA division winner. NO (4-4) HOU (4-4) and SAS (4-4) have the same record among themselves, so it moves to division records, which in this case would be tied between SAS(10-6) and NO(10-6) with HOU (8-8.) dropped out. That brings it down to a two-team tie-breaker between NO/SAS who are head-to-head 2-2, which brings us to inner-conference records between the two, which NO wins (33-19) over SAS (32-20) in this situation.

So now we know at the least that LA will be 1, and Utah/NO will be in the top 4. Hold on while I keep on crunching these numbers..........

Now that we have the div. winners, we need to just get a ranking of these 5 teams. Their records against each other are as follows:

UTA (10-4)
NO (9-7)
SAS (6-10)
PHO (6-9)
HOU (7-8.)

Which puts the rankings as follows:

1. Lakers
2. Jazz
3. Hornets
4. Rockets
5. Suns
6. Spurs
7/8. Dallas/Denver

I hope I did that right.... :s

Calculating the Division winners didn't turn out to be necessary, but suppose the 5-way tie had NO and PHO switch places, NO would be the 4 seed over Houston even though the Rockets would have homecourt

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:09 pm**

I don't know how its going to work, I just hope that the Spurs and Suns play each other in the 1st round :pray:

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:17 pm**

JustBlaze20 wrote:I don't know how its going to work, I just hope that the Spurs and Suns play each other in the 1st round

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:18 am**

Okay, I read through this thread and I don't know if there is a definative answer, so I will give my two cents. The scenario the OP is talking anout is very likely.

As it stands now....
56-25 Lakers
55-25 Hornets
55-26 Spurs
54-27 Jazz
54-27 Houston
54-27 Suns

Tuesday (no guarantee, but if I had to bet)
Lakers beat the Kings in LA and Hornets beat the Clippers in New Orleans. If this happens:

1) Lakers clinch #1 by virtue of the conference record tie-breaker over New Orleans (inter-division; head to head 2-2)

2) New Orleans clinch #2 by virtue of conference record (intra-division; head to head 2-2, division record 10-6 Spurs and no worse than 10-6 Hornets)

Leaving the following record 3-6 going into Wen:
55-26 Spurs
54-27 Jazz
54-27 Houston
54-27 Suns

Assume:
Portland at Phoenix (win Phoenix)
Clippers at Houston (win Houston)

Giving us

55-26 Spurs
54-27 Jazz
55-27 Houston
55-27 Suns

Utah at San Antonio without Manu....who wins?
If Spurs, then it's clear with Spurs 3, Jazz 4, Rockets 5, Suns 6

However, if Utah wins, they are all at 55-27 with the Jazz being the only division winner.

Head to head records within those teams are Jazz 7-3, Suns 6-5, Rockets 5-6, Spurs 4-8

So baring any major upset by a visiting lottery team, the playoff picture is set by the Jazz - Spurs game.

Rank..........Jazz win.......Spurs win
1................Lakers..........Lakers
2................Hornets.........Hornets
3................Jazz..............Spurs
4................Suns.............Jazz
5................Rockets.........Rockets
6................Spurs............Suns

Hope that sheds some light.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:24 am**

So if the Jazz win they get the Spurs in the first round????

I'm guessing they lose on purpose.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:38 am**

bstein14 wrote:So if the Jazz win they get the Spurs in the first round????

I'm guessing they lose on purpose.

That's actually the debate on the following thread:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=780777

Home court against the Spurs (Jazz are best homecourt team)

or

no home court against the rockets.

But this still is based off the assumtion that no home playoff team loses to a visiting lottery team.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:52 am**

JustBlaze20 wrote:I don't know how its going to work, I just hope that the Spurs and Suns play each other in the 1st round

Hell yeah, thats the matchup i wanna see.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:28 pm**

HarlemHeat37 wrote:I just read an article on ESPN about if a 4-way tie was to happen between Utah, San Antonio, Phoenix and Houston..the writer claims that it would end up in the order of: Utah, Phoenix, Houston, San Antonio, because he applied division records..

but I was reading up on the tiebreakers, and it says:

no since they are not in the same division.

I checked that there is actually a way that 3 teams can align that can sweep clean all the five tiebreaker rules LOL. I am not sure what is gonna happen then...coin flip?

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:14 pm**

CITYOFANGELSX3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hell yeah, thats the matchup i wanna see.

......... Let them tear each other up .
Yet , I want to see the Spurs come out of that one .
I cant wait to see the Suns get ousted in the 1rd .

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