someone explain the hop step to me?
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:28 am
this is confusing the hell out of me. can someone explain it to me. does the hop count as a step then you can only take one more step after it or what?
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:31 am
I believe it is a travel nowadays. Or just 2 steps, so you can't take extra step or use as a pivot.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:32 am
a hop step counts as 2 steps so the player who performs the hop step must shot or pass.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:33 am
yea so basically the hop counts as one step then you can take one more to make it 2 steps.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:34 am
You're not allowed to take another step after a hop step, not that the refs ever call it.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:38 am
The NBA these days allow 3 steps.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:40 am
T-Mac for MVP wrote:The NBA these days allow 3 steps.
They use to give Ewing 4. Jordan too. Im a Bulls fan that's why I use those two. I remember many extra steps by those guys.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:54 am
Refs differ and players differ. If you can disguise it with a well timed dribble then you won't get as much separation but it's less likely to be called, but if you do the whole thing right you should still be allowed one more step.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:32 am
dabadestalbo69 wrote:yea so basically the hop counts as one step then you can take one more to make it 2 steps.
no the hop step counts as 2, because you jump with both feet and land with both feet.
if your as talking about a variation of a hop step where you hop off of one leg then you can take another step.
hope that helps.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:56 am
In FIBA traveling rules are much more exact and well documented.
There are 2 kinds of dribbles:
The long dribble when you put the ball on the floor with one hand while you take the step with the opposite foot. (eg: right hand dribble with left foot step)
the short dribble is the other (same foot as hand)
The hop step usually occures between a long dribble and a jump off two feet. There are two versions:
1- After the drop step you can land with one foot (the one that you jumped off). In this case the foot that first touched the ground becomes the pivot foot, and you can not move that anyomore. The other foot, you can take as many steps as you want.
2- After the drop step you can land on two feet. In this case you can chose your pivot leg, and you can take as many steps as you want with the other foot.
It's pretty simple.
Well of course in the NBA refs miss a lot of travelling calls, and they call traveling violations on super legal pivotsteps, so I will never understand that
In FIBA it's quite exact...
There are 2 kinds of dribbles:
The long dribble when you put the ball on the floor with one hand while you take the step with the opposite foot. (eg: right hand dribble with left foot step)
the short dribble is the other (same foot as hand)
The hop step usually occures between a long dribble and a jump off two feet. There are two versions:
1- After the drop step you can land with one foot (the one that you jumped off). In this case the foot that first touched the ground becomes the pivot foot, and you can not move that anyomore. The other foot, you can take as many steps as you want.
2- After the drop step you can land on two feet. In this case you can chose your pivot leg, and you can take as many steps as you want with the other foot.
It's pretty simple.
Well of course in the NBA refs miss a lot of travelling calls, and they call traveling violations on super legal pivotsteps, so I will never understand that
In FIBA it's quite exact...
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:59 am
lukeridenour wrote:no the hop step counts as 2, because you jump with both feet and land with both feet.
if your as talking about a variation of a hop step where you hop off of one leg then you can take another step.
hope that helps.
There is no such hopstep as jumping off two feet and landing on two feet.
That's already a traveling violation, if you dont put the ball on the floor in the act.
(at least in Europe it's this way
)Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:14 am
Puertorique wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
They use to give Ewing 4. Jordan too. Im a Bulls fan that's why I use those two. I remember many extra steps by those guys.
Do I hear 5?
Anyone?
They never gave anyone 4 steps.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:19 am
Basically you get three steps, then you get to hop somewhere in the range of 3-8 feet into the paint where you can then take an additional 1-2 steps to ensure an open basket. It's basically an unstoppable move.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:51 pm
Batronuj wrote:Basically you get three steps, then you get to hop somewhere in the range of 3-8 feet into the paint where you can then take an additional 1-2 steps to ensure an open basket. It's basically an unstoppable move.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74
Wow... I hope the league eventually cracks down on traveling.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:11 pm
I don't think this is allowed anymore, is it? It used to be LeBron's signature move, but he doesn't do it anymore and the times I saw him try it this season he got called for the travel.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:08 pm
Uncooked wrote:I don't think this is allowed anymore, is it? It used to be LeBron's signature move, but he doesn't do it anymore and the times I saw him try it this season he got called for the travel.
yeah, when LeBron first came into the league he was using the hopstep big time but I haven't seen it much since. I think it was after facing Cleveland actually that VC started to do it the next game vs. Washington and yeah he was unstoppable but the Wiz were crying murder everytime he did the hopstep and he stopped using it after that game.
I've tried it a few times on the playground and there's always some head scratching afterwards lol.
I really don't know if the league cracked down on it but I don't see it as much . I think Kobe / Pierce / Wade still use it semi-regularly. Mighty Mouse used to use it back in the day too. I think peeps get away with it if they do the hop step and then jump right away again as the motion seems more natural...it looks funny when the hop step is done followed by hesitation or pump fakes and then a lean towards the basket or whatever shot attempt.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:21 pm
i love it when people run into the lane... and take a long jumper's hop step, then an extra step with it. I love it.
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:57 pm
This is from NBA.com
Traveling:
To start a dribble after establishing a pivot foot, the ball must be released from the player
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:29 am
Batronuj wrote:Basically you get three steps, then you get to hop somewhere in the range of 3-8 feet into the paint where you can then take an additional 1-2 steps to ensure an open basket. It's basically an unstoppable move.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74
what i was talking about, the jumping off 2 and landing off 2 was at the 14 second mark.
lebron jumps lands, but the travel occurs when he takes another step.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:42 am
pl wrote:In FIBA traveling rules are much more exact and well documented.
There are 2 kinds of dribbles:
The long dribble when you put the ball on the floor with one hand while you take the step with the opposite foot. (eg: right hand dribble with left foot step)
the short dribble is the other (same foot as hand)
The hop step usually occures between a long dribble and a jump off two feet. There are two versions:
1- After the drop step you can land with one foot (the one that you jumped off). In this case the foot that first touched the ground becomes the pivot foot, and you can not move that anyomore. The other foot, you can take as many steps as you want.
2- After the drop step you can land on two feet. In this case you can chose your pivot leg, and you can take as many steps as you want with the other foot.
It's pretty simple.
Well of course in the NBA refs miss a lot of travelling calls, and they call traveling violations on super legal pivotsteps, so I will never understand that
In FIBA it's quite exact...
That is because the NBA is super commercialised entertainment league rather than a serious basketball governing body. This league has watered down rules paired with biased and ignorant officiating.
The only thing that keeps this league alive is pure star power. People don't watch the NBA because it has the Basketball to offer, but because of names. Casual fans who want to see Lebron and Kobe.
From a pure basketball standpoint, I'd take a Euroleague final four over everything the NBA has to offer.