Bryan Colangelo..

[HarlemHeat37]

is Colangelo overrated?..

he's been perceived as some "genius" type GM for his moves over the years..don't get me wrong, he's had some solid moves..but why don't we hear more about his terrible moves?..we hear all the criticism of Kerr, but wasn't some of the reason the Suns had to make moves was because of the team Colangelo built?..what about in Toronto? wasting a #1 pick on Bargnani?..the team hasn't improved since last year, despite some signings..

[Vertical Limit]

I believe under Colangelo, he stockpiled a bunch of draft picks while adding some key players in that Phoenix Suns team, not to mention that the Suns had their best season when he was around. It really isn't his fault the Suns traded those picks for garbage. Now age is going to hit them bad.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not blaming him for the Suns misfortunes..but he hasn't seemed to have the results to back up his reputation IMO..

[Frosty]

He's above average but I question his ability to build a championship quality team. He favors team ball over defense. While I think team ball is a huge factor, you can't ignore defense.

I knew whatever GM came into Toronto was coming into a sweet position with which to start. He had draft picks and cap room available as well as a key component in Bosh. Since then I've questioned a few of his moves. Picking Bargs and hoping he could co-exist with Bosh was just denying the fact that they are both better at the PF. Why take a soft PF when you greatest strength is at that position and your biggest weaknesses (like a decent SF) could have been better addressed in the draft. Sure you can make the Barg's pick if you already have a strong team but that wasn't the case.

I'll be interested in seeing if he sticks with Mitch. I think the team needs a whole new style and attitude and that is best instilled in training camp, not a mid-year coaching change so I hope he does something soon. I also hope is isn't D'antoni because I think he just continues the no defense mindset.

[Mr. Savage]

How is Bargnani a waste ?

He had a rather promising rookie campaign on a team that actually competed for the playoffs.

This season, he has been plagued by his airway condition and Mitchell put him in a position to fail by playing him as a Centre.

People go all crazy over Rudy Gay and how he is much better than Bargnani. But really, Rudy Gays team this year was not competitive. His stats are worthless in the evalution of his quality as a player. Last year Terrance Kinsey was putting up some pretty good numbers on a garbage Memphis team and this season he is out of the league. Look at the Heat this season. Do you guys think Cook, Quinn, Blount and so on are really as good as their late season numbers indicate ?

Put someone like Flip Murray on the Grizzlies and he might end up averaging 25 ppg there. Stats are overrated, especially when the player is on a team that is basically tanking.

Andrea with his size, skillset and attitude can be way more valuable than Rudy Gay.

The only player out the 2006 draft class, that is clearly better than Bargnani is Brandon Roy. Aldridge might be better, but in the long run he doesn't nearly have Bargnani's upside.

[HarlemHeat37]

Rudy Gay is CLEARLY better than Bargs..I've lived in Canada, so the Raptors grew on me..I like seeing their team succeed, but it's disgusting to see how terrible Bargnani is..I saw him in his 1st year and it looked like he had a lot of promise, but he's been TERRIBLE in his 2nd year..he can't even make wide open jumpers anymore..his shooting %'s are disgusting..he improved his man D in the post, which is pretty much the only improvement he appeared to make in the off-season..still a defensive liability in general..his shot has been terrible, and his decision making sucks..he doesn't look like a #1 pick at all..he's been compared to Kwame Brown and Wang Zhi Zhi on the PC board..

Gay is clearly better..Aldridge is clearly better..Roy is clearly better..and these guys will obviously improve as well..

I don't see how he is better than Rondo right now..how is he any better than Foye or Brewer or Boone?..

[Basileus777]

His obsession with Euros has cost the Raptors. He's built a team that can't succeed in NBA playoff basketball. He's still a good gm, but he's not a genius. Obviously drafting Bargs was a huge mistake.

[Dan Z]

Don't forget he also added Anthony Parker and Moon to the team. Both have been solid contributors. Didn't he also trade CV for Ford? Another good move IMO.

The Bargnani pick, in retrospect wasn't great but he has shown flashes here and there. Perhaps after the offseason workout they have planned for him we'll be able to see what he can do(or can't)?

[HarlemHeat37]

nobody is saying Colangelo isn't a GOOD GM..I definitely think he's good..but I don't see how he's lived up to his reputation..

[positivetension]

nobody is saying Colangelo isn't a GOOD GM..I definitely think he's good..but I don't see how he's lived up to his reputation..

We had a 20 game improvement his first year here and we were 32-24 before Bosh went down. If you asked me if I thought this team would ever be in this situation in the next decade with Babcock I would have depressingly said no. We have about $20mill expirings, no outstanding 1sts, two starter PG's and a former #1 pick. This will be a defining year for BC and I'll reserve judgement for him until this time next year.

[PharoaheMonch]

LOL @ Mr Savage saying Bargnani can be more valuable than Rudy Gay.

Rudy Gay gets double teamed, shoots 46 percent from the field and still puts up good numbers.

Bargnani can't even crack a field goal % of 40 percent. He would never be a first option on any team. Unless you plan on going 0-82

[theTHIEF]

he's smart...but has made some mistakes with the Raptors...the Suns, I dont really see too much fault there at all really...

[rewill17]

just 2 seasons...team is not a cellar dweller anymore, constant playoff contender instantly, got a PG, got a C, can play better defence, core is 5 years from being in their prime...only problem is the Bargnani drafting but he can still be O.K. (He made more 3's this season than Dirk)


You guys would waive Kobe and send him to Europe after that airball vs the Jazz in 1998.

[WesWesley]

he's smart...but has made some mistakes with the Raptors...the Suns, I dont really see too much fault there at all really...

Let's give him a chance to correct the mistakes he's made.

He made plenty of mistakes in PHO too. He traded Kidd for Marbury.

[WesWesley]

Also, Colangelo says that Bargnani is the first player other teams inquire about when in trade discussions.

Take it for what it's worth. Bargnani has a lot of skill and talent. He may never live up to the #1 pick, but he's going to improve a lot.

[blueNorange]

Colangelo made a bad choice drafting Bargnani.

now, Bargnani can still be a good role player but that's why I'm not a big fan of european players. it's a big gamble, like 30% they're good and 70% they're bad.

but no, Colangelo isn't overrated ... he's not as good as people say he is but he's better than most GM's.

[Prop]

How is Bargnani a waste ?

He had a rather promising rookie campaign on a team that actually competed for the playoffs.

This season, he has been plagued by his airway condition and Mitchell put him in a position to fail by playing him as a Centre.

People go all crazy over Rudy Gay and how he is much better than Bargnani. But really, Rudy Gays team this year was not competitive. His stats are worthless in the evalution of his quality as a player. Last year Terrance Kinsey was putting up some pretty good numbers on a garbage Memphis team and this season he is out of the league. Look at the Heat this season. Do you guys think Cook, Quinn, Blount and so on are really as good as their late season numbers indicate ?

Put someone like Flip Murray on the Grizzlies and he might end up averaging 25 ppg there. Stats are overrated, especially when the player is on a team that is basically tanking.

Andrea with his size, skillset and attitude can be way more valuable than Rudy Gay.

The only player out the 2006 draft class, that is clearly better than Bargnani is Brandon Roy. Aldridge might be better, but in the long run he doesn't nearly have Bargnani's upside.

maybe gay puts up nice stats on a bad team, yeah...but not only is he a way better player than bargs but he's an infinitely better fit. a wingman who can play some d, score and rebound addresses way more needs than a 7 fter who's greatest asset is his 38% jump shot.

[blueNorange]

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Isn't that pretty much the definition of being overrated?

meh, I guess.

[MoPeteRules]

Colangelo made a bad choice drafting Bargnani.

now, Bargnani can still be a good role player but that's why I'm not a big fan of european players. it's a big gamble, like 30% they're good and 70% they're bad.

but no, Colangelo isn't overrated ... he's not as good as people say he is but he's better than most GM's.

Isn't that pretty much the definition of being overrated?

[JD225]

All I know is that BC came into the 07/08 season with the intention of a Kapono/Bosh/Bargnani front court getting significant minutes. So yes I would say he screwed up with the Bargs pick and the idea that the front court needed another one dimensional shooter.