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Doug Collins last night was commentating the Suns Spurs game and late in the 4th quarter Ginobli made a move to the basket and Collins praised him for what he called "The Euro Two Step" which in America is known as a travel. I have DVR so I watched a few of Ginoblis plays in slow motion to see what this Euro Two Step is all about...
example:
Ginobli was passed the ball at the three point line between the corner and the top of the key and hes passed the ball, he jab steps with one foot then takes with his other foot while putting the ball down and by the time the ball was down he had already taken another step, then he sort of cuffed the ball and went in between defenders through the lane for a layup on the other side of the paint. He did this two times out of the two I stopped to look at (one was last game and the other was game 1). He was able to stand with his defender guarding him, jab step, then get to the other side of the paint for a layup, from the 3 point line. 1 DRIBBLE. Is this the "Euro Two Step" that I have been hearing about? And if thats a move that actually has a name does that make it legal to travel? Now I know Ginobili is 6"5-6 but go outside and try to stand at the three point line take a job step and with one dribble get through the paint and to the other side of the basket for a layup, can anyone do that? Now throw in the NBA defenders that he has to get by too and I think it may be impossible. If this is not the Euro Two Step can someone explain what the Euro Two Step is?

Also does Collins and others who call Ginobilis travel a "Euro Two Step" know that he is from Argentina?

Id like some incite on this and id also like to NOT make this just a I hate Ginobili thread because then it will get locked.

the Argentine two step doesn't have quite the ring that Euro two step does. Ginobili played in Italy before he was drafted so the name isn't totally obscure. I think what Collins is talking about is the side step that he takes when players usually take that step forward.

Scalabrine wrote:
Also does Collins and others who call Ginobilis travel a "Euro Two Step" know that he is from Argentina?

Argentinian-italian, for the precision; like Scola, Nocioni or Delfino, Manu has dual citizenship because his grandparents were from Italy (Scola, Delfino, Ginobili are all italian surnames).

Nocioni's brother plays from various years in the italian minor leagues, I met him a couple of times

http://www.zshare.net/download/11324695124e5f2c/

that's one example from Game 1 where JVG referred to it.

tnayrbrocks wrote:the Argentine two step doesn't have quite the ring that Euro two step does. Ginobili played in Italy before he was drafted so the name isn't totally obscure. I think what Collins is talking about is the side step that he takes when players usually take that step forward.

how about the "Argentine tango"?

Alright I dont really care about the name, the Euro Two Step is basically a travel is it not? How can refs not call it if the announcers are claiming it as a move?

I haven't noticed if it's a travel or not..but this is the NBA bro..they can find a traveling call for half of the plays in the game..

Boris Diaw actually took 4 steps on his spin move on the Suns last FG of the game last night..Tim Duncan technically traveled on his game winning 3 in game 1..Lebron has traveled on numerous game winners..it just happens..traveling isn't that big of a deal unless it's obvious, and depending on the ref in that game..

You can call it affirmative action on the basketball court.

Watch the above video in slow motion and you can see that it's definitely a travel.

The ball hit the floor while his right foot was on the ground and his left foot was in the air, and it was back in his hand before his left foot hit the floor. Then he went left-right-left while carrying the ball. He also seems to jump at least a foot or so on his second step. Not exactly sure what the rulebook says about that.

funny because it always used to be like the nba players got away with traveling much more than european players... i'll have to look at this thread again tomorrow, its too late for me now... gnight!

I tell you what; I'm 6'2 and I have a 34" leg. I can make it to the rim in two steps from a stand-still and I'm not especially athletic. Manu is nearly a half foot taller and probably more athletic than me, I don't think it's a travel, especially if you consider the half-step for a jump stop.

It's a travel. Ginobili travels, LeBron travels, they all travel. And I hate it. They really should stop allowing that. When I'm playing, it's two steps and that's it. None of that extra step crap. If you're not good enough to score without traveling, then that's your problem...

I personally want them to start calling 360 travels. Those are so obvious. Who the hell is allowed to spin in mid air and travel from 3pt line to under the rim. Calling you out Tony Parker and Dwade!!

Heh, finally proof that there's more to Bargnani's "jab-step-travel-look-glum" move than cluelessness! It's intentional!

pro2020 wrote:http://www.zshare.net/download/11324695124e5f2c/

that's one example from Game 1 where JVG referred to it.

Fizzy wrote:Watch the above video in slow motion and you can see that it's definitely a travel.

The ball hit the floor while his right foot was on the ground and his left foot was in the air, and it was back in his hand before his left foot hit the floor. Then he went left-right-left while carrying the ball. He also seems to jump at least a foot or so on his second step. Not exactly sure what the rulebook says about that.

When he picked the ball up, he took 2 steps. At least that's what I saw. The last step before you pick up the ball does not count as a step, or am I wrong?.......