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The answer is obvious right? Of course there's such a thing as clutchness in the NBA. So then why do some baseball uber-geeks deny that clutchness exists in MLB? And how does their argument apply or not apply to the NBA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch_%28sports%29

Baseball sucks I dont even want to learn about that sport.

Baseball sucks.

(edit: This topic is actually a good one though!)

Clutchness is definately overrated, it's foremost a label that fans and sports writers give to certain players.

FlashFlood wrote:Baseball sucks I dont even want to learn about that sport.

baseball>basketball

imo

I am a big fan of sabermetrics and the moneyball approach to baseball. The one thing I disagree with is the way they feel about clutch. IMO clutch is absolutely a real, tangible thing. Some guys just have that "it", guys like Tiger Woods, David Ortiz, Kobe Bryant, and John Elway clearly were more clutch, no matter what the uber geeks say.

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baseball>basketball

imo

I'd love to hear your explanation for why you believe that. Don't get me wrong I think steroids are manly and all too but I just want to hear your opinion.

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I'd love to hear your explanation for why you believe that. Don't get me wrong I think steroids are manly and all too but I just want to hear your opinion.

Both sports are good, but I am more confortable with baseball.

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Both sports are good, but I am more confortable with baseball.

LOL. Baseball sucks.

it is boring and full with 45 year old roid monkeys.

Robert Horry..doesn't he define "clutch"?..

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LOL. Baseball sucks.

it is boring and full with 45 year old roid monkeys.

Cammo101 wrote:I am a big fan of sabermetrics and the moneyball approach to baseball. The one thing I disagree with is the way they feel about clutch. IMO clutch is absolutely a real, tangible thing. Some guys just have that "it", guys like Tiger Woods, David Ortiz, Kobe Bryant, and John Elway clearly were more clutch, no matter what the uber geeks say.

Isn't the knock on Tiger that he can't win majors where he's not leading after 54 holes? How's that clutch? More like he's just really good for the first 3 rounds and really good for the last one.

Elway has a losing record in the Super Bowl.

Kobe has 0 Finals MVPs.

I do think Ortiz plays better in the crunch.

As for the rest? They're just really good all the time, but I don't notice much of a difference between the the first 3 rounds/quarters, and the last.

It is hard to watch Reggie Miller in key moments in the playoffs and not believe in "clutch."

YES.

The easiest example in basketball are FTs with the game on the line. Some players you know will miss at least one, regardless of their FT%... and others you know have ice in their veins and nothing phases them.

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Both sports are good, but I am more confortable with baseball.

That's fair enough, I personally grew up playing baseball before I really played basketball but for whatever reason found it wasn't the sport for me.

The lack of movement is what bothers me I guess.

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Isn't the knock on Tiger that he can't win majors where he's not leading after 54 holes? How's that clutch? More like he's just really good for the first 3 rounds and really good for the last one.

Elway has a losing record in the Super Bowl.

Kobe has 0 Finals MVPs.

I do think Ortiz plays better in the crunch.

As for the rest? They're just really good all the time, but I don't notice much of a difference between the the first 3 rounds/quarters, and the last.

Reggie Miller doesn't have any either, is he not clutch?

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That's fair enough, I personally grew up playing baseball before I really played basketball but for whatever reason found it wasn't the sport for me.

The lack of movement is what bothers me I guess.

Have you ever had a crush on 2 girls and couldnt chose only 1? Thats how I used to feel about baseball and basketball. But now baseball is my only love.

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baseball>basketball

imo

Strangely enough I agree, and I'm from Utah were there is no MLB team.

The game is just so much more complete the the NBA is at this point. Plus the history is just fantastic.

And I live for the NBA.

im not that big a believer in clutch in baseball

basketball i believe in it, its the one sport that can be affected by 1 guy more then any of the other team sports and that 1 star player can sometimes make and sometimes break your team

I don't think anyone really plays significantly BETTER in the clutch, but you are still clutch if you don't do WORSE, as so many do under pressure.