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I've been a fan of his for a long while but i've never really been able to explain why he simply doesn't put up better regular season numbers. He's literally the biggest mismatch in the NBA, every night he can take advantage of whoever's guarding him. He's a good ballhandler, solid rebounder,decent post game, a lefty, passable jump shot, great size and quickness etc.

I would expect a guy like this to average at least 18/9/4 for his career. It would be understandable if he played on a Piston-like team where he plays whith an awesome starting five but for most of his career he's been the most talented guys on his team. why do y'all think he doesnt dominate more?

sdeezy wrote:I've been a fan of his for a long while but i've never really been able to explain why he simply doesn't put up better regular season numbers. He's literally the biggest mismatch in the NBA, every night he can take advantage of whoever's guarding him. He's a good ballhandler, solid rebounder,decent post game, a lefty, passable jump shot, great size and quickness etc.

I would expect a guy like this to average at least 17/9/4 for his career. It would be understandable if he played on a Piston-like team where he plays whith an awesome starting five but for most of his career he's been the most talented guys on his team. why do y'all think he doesnt dominate more?

Much like Rasheed Wallace -- it's just not in his DNA.

He was an all star snub his final year in Miami.

He can be inconsistent at times.

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Much like Rasheed Wallace -- it's just not in his DNA.

This.

Both Sheed and Odom's DNA is clouded by THC.

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Much like Rasheed Wallace -- it's just not in his DNA.

Good analogy! I totally agree with it, horrible comparison, there is no comparison whatsoever between the two players, one player suffers from a lack of leadership, the other player is just doesn't have work ethics.

sdeezy wrote:I've been a fan of his for a long while but i've never really been able to explain why he simply doesn't put up better regular season numbers. He's literally the biggest mismatch in the NBA, every night he can take advantage of whoever's guarding him. He's a good ballhandler, solid rebounder,decent post game, a lefty, passable jump shot, great size and quickness etc.

I would expect a guy like this to average at least 18/9/4 for his career. It would be understandable if he played on a Piston-like team where he plays whith an awesome starting five but for most of his career he's been the most talented guys on his team. why do y'all think he doesnt dominate more?

His post game is actually very weak. He has a ton of trouble posting up smaller players. Lamar is at his best when the game gets wild and crazy ESPECIALLY when the defense doesn't have time for the shot blockers to rotate over to him.

He's got some massive holes in his game that stop him from reaching his full potential... like his inability to work against double teams. I swear he used to have the most swatted layups in the league every season.

I love the guy but he'd be better off (individually) in Golden State or Phoenix. As much as I'd like to trade him for someone that would fit better at the three next to Bynum and Gasol there's that reoccuring nightmare that he'll somehow end up in PHX or GS and become a dominant force.

Yeah, if I'm a Laker fan and he ends up on GS, I'll start needing to wear adult diapers because I might start sporadically **** myself. I actually think he's just fine in LA, even with both Gasol and Bynum. That's a big lineup but they don't have to play together all the time.

Just because a player doesn't score a ton, people act like that player doesn't dominate. Rasheed Wallace dominates defensively. Lamar Odom dominates on the glass. Both players play with some extremely talented scorers, so why force the issue instead of making that extra pass? Even Tim Duncan has seen his scoring average dip over the last three or so years, and I don't think anyone's questioning his ability to dominate. Bottom line, Rasheed Wallace and Lamar Odom are crucial cogs in teams that are a combined 3-1 so far in conference finals play. That's dominant where I come from. (Odom's stats against the Jazz don't hurt either - 18.2PPG, 59% from the field, 11.7RPG... wow)

dudes not selfish

hes a glue guy, not a primary/secondary option

Odom's a great player to have in LA. That team wouldn't be as good without him. He can do almost everything.

when he's aggressive, woah, all-star man

I think he needs to be surrounded by a big man like Gasol, that knows how to dish the ball. Lamar is good off the dribble, but he is much better without it. He will probably have a career year next season after having one season with Gasol.

He really isn't capable of scoring as much as you think because he mostly scores off shots created by others. Its tough to score 17-20 ppg on garbage points and layups.

IMO, if Kobe and Gasol wasnt on the Lakers then he would be an all-star.

Lamar's ability to create "mismatches" is highly overrated. This is coming from a Lakers fan. The guy absolutely cannot consistently take anyone off the dribble. He'll do his usual hesitation and stutter step moves that are so predictable and then goes to his strong hand. More often than not, he doesn't beat his man and commits a charge.

I'm starting to realize that maybe it's a good thing Lamar isn't too aggressive all the time. I've come to accept his role as primarily a rebounder and trash guy. But I am also going to recognize that he has recently picked up his FT%, dropped his 3PT FGA, and consistently hit his midrange when he does take them.

Well he put up 27ppg when kobe was hurt last year (though it was only 3 games). So I think he can put up 20. However, I seriously doubt a team with odom as the first, or even 2nd, option is going to go places. He's just better in a limitted role like he is now. His ability to take people off the dribble is often overrated. However, he still is one of the best ball handling big man in the NBA. That definitly helps him create mismatches.

hes a great teammate first a foremost, he is probably the leader of the team and thats half of his greatness. the reason why the lakers have stuck with him is because of how good a teammate he actually is.

i'm not playing down his ability on the court either, hes a great rebounder and has a good all around game. hes a great 3rd option on any team and probably one of, if not the best 3rd option in the league.

0HeadAche0 wrote:hes a great teammate first a foremost, he is probably the leader of the team and thats half of his greatness. the reason why the lakers have stuck with him is because of how good a teammate he actually is.

i'm not playing down his ability on the court either, hes a great rebounder and has a good all around game. hes a great 3rd option on any team and probably one of, if not the best 3rd option in the league.

Kobe?

He rally doesn't have an accomplished one on one game. When he is denied going to the left its over for him. When there is quick bigs that can match his speed, its over for him. If there is post defender and shot blocker that can challenge him, its over for him. He has game where he scores 15 points on 6 shots in regular season game but most of them comes from double teams kobe draws or passes from gasol, he either gets a wide open dunk or gets fouled. He seems like a guy that can play one on one with his length and dribbling ability but he ain't that great at it. He is at most potent when he gets a low post position or cuts to the basket when kobe is double teamed. He is also not so bad in fast break as a facilitator.

Lamar Odom talent has been overrated by many people. He is a good player but he isn't an amazing talent. He pretty much a stronger version of Toni Kukoc. Really he is perfect as a 3 or 4 option. Then you really can see how valuable a player he can be. Next if with a healthy Bynum he may be 6th man of the year like Kukoc was when he played on those great Bulls teams.