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Posted: **Fri Jun 6, 2008 7:44 pm**

Josh Childress- 5year 34mil
Josh Smith- 6 year 78mil
Tony Allen- 2 year 2mil
Emeka Okafor- 6 year 78mil
Ben Gordon- 5 year 49mil
Luol Deng- 6 year 60mil
Shannon Brown- out of league or league minimum deal
Delonte West- 5 year 34mil
Antoine Wright- 2 year 2mil
JR Smith- 2 year 15mil
Andris Biedrins- 6 year 65mil
David Harrison - 2year 3mil
Shaun Livingston- 2 year 6mil (if a team wants to try and steal him and thinks he is healthy a deal like this could get it done)
Sasha Vujcic- 1 year 3mil
Dorrell Wright- 6 year 47mil
Nenad Krstic- 3 year 15mil
Andre Igoudala- 5 year 65mil
Robert Swift- 3 year 4mil
Carlos Delfino- 4 year 27mil

Posted: **Fri Jun 6, 2008 8:16 pm**

massey1992 wrote:Josh Childress- 5year 34mil- Reasonable
Josh Smith- 6 year 78mil- overpaying.
Tony Allen- 2 year 2mil- underpaid
Emeka Okafor- 6 year 78mil-Way overpaying.
Ben Gordon- 5 year 49mil- overpaying
Luol Deng- 6 year 60mil- in line with his production
Shannon Brown- out of league or league minimum deal- Agree..
Delonte West- 5 year 34mil Seems too much
Antoine Wright- 2 year 2mil reasonable
JR Smith- 2 year 15mil- reasonable
Andris Biedrins- 6 year 65mil- reasonable given that he is a big.
David Harrison - 2year 3mil sounds good
Shaun Livingston- 2 year 6mil (if a team wants to try and steal him and thinks he is healthy a deal like this could get it done) I see him getting a 1 year deal
Sasha Vujcic- 1 year 3mil I think he can get more than 3 million for 1 year
Dorrell Wright- 6 year 47mil overpaying
Nenad Krstic- 3 year 15mil reasonable.
Andre Igoudala- 5 year 65mil kinda overpaying
Robert Swift- 3 year 4mil reasonable given that he has not played
Carlos Delfino- 4 year 27mil reasonable

Posted: **Fri Jun 6, 2008 8:50 pm**

As a Hawks' fan, I have a feeling there will be more than enough teams interested in Josh Childress at the MLE. I'm interested to see what S&T offers are made to Atlanta, because a 5 -yr. MLE deal gets matched without regret.

Posted: **Fri Jun 6, 2008 8:53 pm**

massey1992 wrote:Dorrell Wright- 6 year 47mil

Woah!

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 12:08 am**

Serious question: who's Dorrell Wright? And why does he deserve 47 million dollars over 4 years?

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 12:16 am**

Blame Rasho wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ben Gordon at 5/49 is overpaying, but J.R Smith 2/15 is reasonable?

I disagree. Ben is truely undervalued by a lot of people. He's viewed as a chucker, but took less than 15 attempts a game last season. His man-to-man defense has improved to a point where he is now an average defender.

He's an amazing shooter, and spreads the floor very well. I think 5/49 is very reasonable. At least when you compare that to J.R Smith getting 2/15..

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 12:18 am**

agentzerotoTO wrote:Serious question: who's Dorrell Wright? And why does he deserve 47 million dollars over 4 years?

Wright is an athletic SF from Miami, who doesn't deserve $47M. He's got upside, but is likely going to become a role player/starter at best.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dorell_wr ... stats.html

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 1:16 am**

what about boobie gibson? how much u think he should get? how much u think west should get?

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:29 am**

Morten Jensen wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I disagree. Ben is truely undervalued by a lot of people. He's viewed as a chucker, but took less than 15 attempts a game last season. His man-to-man defense has improved to a point where he is now an average defender.

Ben Gordon is a SG in a PG body. For that simple reason alone, it is so hard to fit him into a starting lineup. And that's while he will always be worth less than a guy 6'6 who puts up the same numbers. And size has always been important in this league.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:36 am**

Morten Jensen wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ben Gordon at 5/49 is overpaying, but J.R Smith 2/15 is reasonable?

I disagree. Ben is truely undervalued by a lot of people. He's viewed as a chucker, but took less than 15 attempts a game last season. His man-to-man defense has improved to a point where he is now an average defender.

He's an amazing shooter, and spreads the floor very well. I think 5/49 is very reasonable. At least when you compare that to J.R Smith getting 2/15..

Close to 10 million for 5 years is a big commitment for a guy who I think is very one dimensional. He doesn't have enough size at his position. You are forced to play undersized or you have to protect him on D by having other players guard his man.

7.5 million for 2 years is very reasonable given that he is young and is a legit two guard. Hell, he is good trade bait at that price unlike Gordon at basically 10 million dollars per year.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:45 am**

I wouldn't mind paying Gordon 5/50.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:47 am**

CBS7 wrote:I wouldn't mind paying Gordon 5/50.

I wouldn't mind that either.

/Blazers

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:52 am**

Well I don't think a player like Gordon should make more than a guy like Manu Ginobilli.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:53 am**

As long as the contract is insured, I would give Okafor $78M over 6 years and then run to the hills. The only player for which the given amount would be "way overpaying"? Come on...

Biedrins, Gordon and Deng all seem fine. It's Wright and JR Smith who give me issues. Most of those aren't bad.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 4:46 am**

Rooster wrote:As long as the contract is insured, I would give Okafor $78M over 6 years and then run to the hills. The only player for which the given amount would be "way overpaying"? Come on...

I agree $12.5m a year average starting at about $10m and finishing at about $15m is a good deal.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 5:08 am**

I think the majority of the guys are being overpaid. There aren't alot of teams with money this year and the trend has been for teams to be conservative with what they offer. So most teams will be bidding against themselves for these free agents.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 9:44 am**

Blame Rasho wrote:Well I don't think a player like Gordon should make more than a guy like Manu Ginobilli.

Manu is also underpaid.

At least by my account. He's averaging around $9M a year, right? His true value would be between $11M - $13M a year. He's just an awesome, awesome player who could be a 25 PPG scorer if he was getting 36-38 MPG. Add the fact that plays good defense, rebounds and passes the ball decently and I say you guys have a bargin at your hands.

Re: Gordon.

We've had no problem with him starting. The defense argument that is thrown around is really not that big of a factor at all. When someone tries to back him down, they usually don't succeed anyway due to his strenght. It's also mostly the premier players who gets shots off over him; Carter, Kobe, Ginobili, Joe Johnson etc. And they basically get their shot off over everybody anyway. You don't see them hitting a higher percentage against Chicago.

Keep in mind that Hinrich isn't alwasy guarding the 2-guard. When we've played Duhon/Gordon back-courts, we've had to put Ben on 2-guards when we needed strong players to keep them out of the paint. This has actually been succesful. Not elite obviously, but very acceptable.

I also don't understand the one-trick pony criticts. Is being a scorer also being a one-trick pony? By my account a one-trick pony is a guy who does one thing, and just that one thing; Shooting, rebounding, bloocking shots. But Gordon has more in his offensive arsenal that just shooting. He can create off the bounce, play off the ball much like Richard Hamilton and is also an excellent spot-up shooter.

I'd pay 5/50 for him every day of the week. I've yet to understand why the general public doesn't like him. He's by far the most professional player on the team when it comes to handle the media and his approach to working out and keeping in shape. Ask any Bulls fans, and they'll say Ben treats his body like a temple and is the hardest worker on the Bulls by a mile.

(By the way, I wasn't referring to you not liking him BR. I remember you once said otherwise. I was referring to those people who consider him a chucker and bad defender. None of which is true, and hasn't been true since his rookie season)

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 9:59 am**

Man i would love us to get Nenad for 5 million per but i have the feeling someone's going to bid more .

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 10:53 am**

I don't think I'd give Okafor that contract. He hasn't improved that much on offense, and staying healthy is a big factor. Maybe 70 over 6 years, but he hasn't shown that he's worth 12 or more a year. Yea, yea, I know bigs always get paid.

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 5:00 pm**

My thing is that I would be reluctant to give a guy that amount of money if he is not able to significantly contribute in more than one area. It is just my personal belief. What happens when you have a bad shooting night? What else can you do to make up for that shortcoming that night? You can pass, defend, hell go to the line and make a difference. I don't think he does that enough. I think he regressed this past year and it is hard to justify a 10 million dollar contract after a bad year. Example to illustrate would be to just compare his FTA and his 3FGA's this past year and the year before. I don't follow the Bulls regilously but I did notice that Ben didn't attack the basket as much, and was much more of an outside shooter than usual. He has this nice little effective teardrop and can* get to the rim but is seemed to me that he settled too much. It is not to say that Gordon is* a bad player. He is a remarkable scorer and shooter but it is alot of money to just fork over in my opinion who I think settled too often for my likening.

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