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Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:59 pm
by Bucky O'Hare
Rumors coming out of both Indy and Toronto this morning. Sounds like there's a lot of legs to this.


Indy Star

Indy Star wrote:Pacers, Toronto talk about trading O'Neal
By Mike Wells
Posted: June 23, 2008

The Indiana Pacers and Jermaine O'Neal could be parting ways in the near future.

The Pacers and Toronto Raptors have discussed a possible deal with O'Neal going north of the border with point guard T.J. Ford and center Rasho Nesterovic coming to Indiana, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. The deal may also include Toronto's first-round pick (No. 17) in Thursday's draft.

The Raptors will have to throw in at least one other player to make the deal work financially.

An issue that could hold up the deal is O'Neal's left knee. O'Neal, who has dealt with injuries the past four seasons, played just 42 games last season. Pacers officials, however, recently said O'Neal's knee is healthy. The six-time All-Star is spending the summer working out in Las Vegas.

Call Star reporter Mike Wells at (317) 444-6053.



Toronto Star


Toronto Star wrote:Closing in on a Ford deal

Told you it was going to be a busy week of rumours and speculation and trade talk.

It’s all very tentative and quite up in the air but the Raptors have already investigated the possibility of a blockbuster trade that would net them a veteran – yet expensive – NBA centre.

According to league sources, Toronto has had talks with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring 29-year-old Jermaine O’Neal for a package that would include T.J. Ford, Rasho Nestervoic and, perhaps, the 17th pick in this week’s draft.

The talks are not the point where any deal is imminent and a deal is certainly not assured but the source said the Raptors are aggressively trying to move Ford and O’Neal is one of their targets.

Toronto also still has serious interest in forward Boris Diaw of the Phoenix Suns and is in talks with at least three other teams for trades of a similar magnitude.

O’Neal is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he played just 42 games and averaged 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. The 6-11 centre has been working out in Las Vegas since just after the 2007-08 season ended and according to reports has just begun full-court work.

Obtaining O’Neal will be a huge two-year financial commitment for the Raptors. He’s due to make about $21 million (all figures U.S.) this season and $23 million in 2009-10. To make the trade work under NBA salary cap rules, Toronto would have to add some other pieces in addition to Ford and Nesterovic but they have several less expensive expiring contracts that would make it work.

But even if the O’Neal trade doesn’t materialize, it does signal just how hard the Raptors are trying to move Ford so they can hand over the starting point guard job to restricted free agent Jose Calderon.

With Phoenix still in the mix and the other teams having talks with Toronto, it would appear Bryan Colangelo will have plenty of options to sift through before Thursday’s draft.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:03 pm
by magicfan4life05
so a front line of bosh/o'neal?

wow

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:06 pm
by thamadkant
O'Neal is done though...

21 Million for a 12/8/2 player....

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:08 pm
by Blame Rasho
Someone call Mike Wells...

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:20 pm
by dockingsched
rasho will have a better season than JO.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:41 pm
by TMACFORMVP
Oneal when healthy is a great fit both offensively and defensively next to Bosh.

Unfortunately he's never healthy and it'd be a pretty risky move considering it doesn't take them to the elite status though obviously much more dangerous.

It'd be interesting to see how it all works out,

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:43 pm
by greenbeans
if it went through and JO stayed healthy thatd be one mean front line.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:43 pm
by Serpo
Well it's not alot that the Raptors would give up so i guess solid deal for them . Pacers fans will / would hate it . Doubt they'd be satisfied with another PG with significant injury history.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:48 pm
by Blue_Bomber
The interesting thing is that even if JO doesn't work out, the Raptors have a huge expiring contract for the summer where Bosh, Wade etc. are all on the market. Teams will covet that kind of huge expiring contract. If JO works out, the Raps will be closer to competing than ever. :D

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:49 pm
by HumbleBumbleBee
please be healthy JO :pray:

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:54 pm
by RapsVC15
Definitly something to think about,

O'neal plays the way he should, the Bosh/O'neal front court becomes one of the best in the league.

Risky but I'd take the chance

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:04 pm
by HarlemHeat37
I would take the chance as well..

let's face it, the Raptors aren't in line to win a title right now..they completely wasted their #1 pick, and there's no way I would be depending on Bargs for the future..Bosh is a top 15 player in the NBA IMO, so you have your main guy(even though he doesn't always play like one, but he's gonna continue to improve)..I'd take the risk on JO, because TJ Ford isn't the healthiest guy neither..the risk on JO will give you a much higher payoff than you would get from Ford..Rasho is a good player, but nothing special..

if Jermaine's healthy, he gives you a C that can make up for some of Bosh's defensive liabilities, and you wouldn't lose anything offensively..

they'd probably have to sign somebody to get some depth back though..

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:05 pm
by Parasight
Shocking. Have you guys noticed the Indiana newspaper and Toronto newspaper have the same title! The Star! Conspiracy theory!

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:05 pm
by tsherkin
If it's Ford, Rasho AND the pick, that's not worth it for Toronto. If the pick is left out, that's a great deal. Something for Indy (good, young PG and an expiring deal), something for Toronto (giant expiring deal and a guy who can defend and rebound for 25-30 mpg for 60 games or so).

But the Raptors can't afford to give up that pick.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:06 pm
by CircleCitysportsfan
Serpo wrote:Well it's not alot that the Raptors would give up so i guess solid deal for them . Pacers fans will / would hate it . Doubt they'd be satisfied with another PG with significant injury history.


Most Pacer fans are in favor of this trade. We would rather have Ford's salary injured for 40 games than JO's. The most valuable part of the deal is the 17th pick. Finally something to be happy about in Pacerland.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:08 pm
by CircleCitysportsfan
tsherkin wrote:If it's Ford, Rasho AND the pick, that's not worth it for Toronto. If the pick is left out, that's a great deal. Something for Indy (good, young PG and an expiring deal), something for Toronto (giant expiring deal and a guy who can defend and rebound for 25-30 mpg for 60 games or so).

But the Raptors can't afford to give up that pick.


The Pacers are not doing the deal w/o the pick. We would still be over the cap when Rasho expires then all the Pacers are left with is Ford, nah the 17th is a must for this deal to go down from a Pacer fan POV.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:16 pm
by JoshB914
Pacers are getting away with highway robbery if this goes through. They fill a big need at PG with one of the best, and they also get rid of worthless JO's huge contract and knee problems.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:16 pm
by tsherkin
Then the deal shouldn't be done, because it's highway robbery of Toronto, not worth it for the Raptors. We need the infusion of young talent more than we need a season of injured JO and the prospects of him turning into capspace we'll have anyway while moving Ford for something else.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:45 pm
by tracey_nice
tsherkin wrote:Then the deal shouldn't be done, because it's highway robbery of Toronto, not worth it for the Raptors. We need the infusion of young talent more than we need a season of injured JO and the prospects of him turning into capspace we'll have anyway while moving Ford for something else.

have you seen the Raptors draft history? I say do it, they'll probably just draft some useless scrub anyway.

Re: Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:59 pm
by Prophet_C
I would do that in a second if I were the Pacers. Bird said he wanted another pick. There you go.