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What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:48 pm
by IndieRuso420
Which player has a worse long term injury concern?
JO's long term injury history which includes recent knee issues/complication that can be devistating for 7 footers.
OR
TJ Ford's history of spinal cord issues and the amount of damage it would take to end his career.
I want to get a general consensus here, and not just IND & TOR fans perspectives. On numbers alone, TJ Ford has actually played 36 more games than JO over the last three seasons. Does that mean TJ Ford is less of an injury risk?
You guys tell me.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:16 pm
by tsherkin
O'neal... he's made it an annual trend to miss large numbers of games with various injuries.
Ford's spine isn't a concern anymore and this latest injury was the result of an over-aggressive defender planting him into the ground out of the air as opposed to any prevailing susceptibility to injury. Of course, the arm stingers are a bit worrisome but still.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:33 pm
by Malinhion
tsherkin wrote:O'neal... he's made it an annual trend to miss large numbers of games with various injuries.
Ford's spine isn't a concern anymore and this latest injury was the result of an over-aggressive defender planting him into the ground out of the air as opposed to any prevailing susceptibility to injury. Of course, the arm stingers are a bit worrisome but still.
I'm with you in general on the fact that it's JO, but how is TJ's spine not a concern? They were worried about it in the draft, he had back problems in Milwaukee causing him to sit the rest of the season (the only playoffs they missed with him on the roster), and then the freak injury where Horford caught him on the head while he was going under the hoop. Since when did these injry concerns just dissipate?
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:57 pm
by bryant08
TJ's injury concerns can end his career, but if he doesn't get into a big accident on/off the court, there's no reason he can't be a 15/8 starting PG for the rest of his career.
JO's injury problems will continue to nag him, and he may never return to his 20/10/2 form, despite still having some years left in him. His general direction over the past few years has been declining quite rapidly, and its unsure whether or not he could even give you 60+ games.
TJ's could end his career, but JO's are going to deter him from ever being the player he could be. I believe O'Neal's injury concerns are larger, because assuming nothing goes wrong, TJ should still be able to perform at a top level.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:25 pm
by tsherkin
Malinhion wrote:
I'm with you in general on the fact that it's JO, but how is TJ's spine not a concern? They were worried about it in the draft, he had back problems in Milwaukee causing him to sit the rest of the season (the only playoffs they missed with him on the roster), and then the freak injury where Horford caught him on the head while he was going under the hoop. Since when did these injry concerns just dissipate?
The problems he had were fixed by the surgery he endured. The freak injury was just that, it could happen to anyone. Humans are frail, even if they're built like Lebron or the Mailman. Remember when Mailman's knee blew apart because someone fell on him? Or look at Alonzo Mourning.
Ford's injury concerns at this stage in his career are the same as any NBA player's.
The spine issue was corrected.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:04 pm
by jman3134
Clearly, the answer is that JO's injury issues are more serious in the long term (at least for however long he plays) As Tsherkin points out, he has been out good portions of the past few seasons. Ford was simply taken out on a flagrant, which does not seem to be a recurring theme. The spine has been a problem in the past, but barring some fluke accident, I do not see it as such a serious concern.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:38 am
by noido
JO's body is breaking down.
TJ is perfectly healthy, except for freak accidents.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:11 pm
by hoop_head
JO's long-term injury concerns are greater than TJ's.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:54 pm
by RnB
noido wrote:JO's body is breaking down.
TJ is perfectly healthy, except for freak accidents.
hoop_head wrote:JO's long-term injury concerns are greater than TJ's.
That basically sums it up imo
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:30 pm
by The Main Event
Bottom line, why is BC gonna look to trade one injury prone player for another?
What he should be aiming for is providing Dallas with a backup PG to Kidd as well as a backup to Dampier in Rasho. Throw in #17 pick and we go after Josh Howard.
The only issue i see here is BC's perspective towards a guy who smokes chronnnnnnnnnic.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:55 pm
by Malinhion
The spine issue was corrected.
All of it? I was under the impression that the recent injury and surgery was on his neck, whereas he was having lower back problems before in Milwaukee. I could be mistaken, but do you have a reference for this?
EDIT: Did some research
CNNSI wrote:The haunting pictures of T.J. Ford's neck snapping back as Al Horford swiped at his head, of Ford on his back in tears as his Toronto Raptors teammates prayed and of the immobilizing stretcher rolling him off the court yet again -- these frames hint at his worst fears come true.
This is why Ford, at 5-foot-10 and 165 pounds, is one of the NBA's most courageous players.
He was born with spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal canal that can put pressure on the nerve and spinal cord, and cause tingling and numbness in the arms and legs.Earlier in his career, he had lost feeling in his extremities after four different collisions on the basketball court dating back to Willowridge High School in Sugar Land, Texas.
In May 2004, he underwent surgery to fuse two vertebrae in his neck where the narrowing of his spinal column was the most severe. Ford was told after the surgery that he was no longer at greater risk of paralysis than any other player. That confidence vanishes during an incident like the one Tuesday in Atlanta, which was preceded by stingers -- aggravations of the nerves in his arms -- that sidelined Ford at the end of last season as well as earlier this month.
Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/w ... index.htmlDecember 13, 2007
So they told him that the problem was fixed last time he got the surgery. It's a condition. I doubt the second surgery fixed it if the first didn't. You can't refuse something to fix the same problem.
His lower back problems consisted of a bruise to his tailbone which sidelined him for portions of him rookie year, and I'm not sure what the other injury was.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:26 pm
by tsherkin
Ford's injuries this year were from Horford and an arm stinger.
The part they fixed was the bit that could paralyze him, though he still gets the stingers.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:06 pm
by 5DOM
JO's injury concern is much great because it is limiting his performance while TJ's is not.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:35 pm
by Malinhion
tsherkin wrote:Ford's injuries this year were from Horford and an arm stinger.
The part they fixed was the bit that could paralyze him, though he still gets the stingers.
Oh, so he can't get paralyzed, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a brittle spine due to his condition. Clearly he is still experiencing injuries with it. Not sure if going down like that would have broken anyone else's neck, but TJ seems more susceptible because of his condition.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:47 pm
by tsherkin
The spine is as brittle as it gets anyway, it's a thin, wet cord that can rip and tear and such. If you apply sufficient trauma to any human, it'll bust... and that's not even the vertebrae. From what I've read of his condition, it doesn't seem that he's much more susceptible to major injury than anyone else.
Re: What is a bigger long term injury concern? JO or TJ Ford?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:54 pm
by Buck You
I think TJ's Napoleon complex and attitude problems are a bigger concern than his injuries. He got his spine taken care of and if he just plays how he should play(ie: not taking illavised(sp) shots). Then he will be a very good point guard for Toronto or some other team.