AI/Nuggets?

[AILebronMelo]

Why do so many Nugget fans want AI gone and blame him for their failure? I mean getting rid of AI won’t make the Nuggets contenders at all. The Nuggets need to learn some defense and stop giving big contracts to stiffs like Nene who never earned a penny of his big contract. I wish AI would leave so he can get a ring. I browse the Nuggets forum and all they talk about is how Iverson needs to be gone. If I am the Nuggets, I would not want to build around Melo who makes stupid decisions and an injury prone under achiever in Nene who always seems to be hurt and come in the camp fat every year. It is funny because alot of Nuggets fan act like they were contenders and getting out the first round before Iverson even got there.

[Lazy Faizy]

I don't think AI's the problem... they need a new coach. Someone who will inflict discipline and defense into this underachieving team, cause as of right now they're not going anywhere with george karl at the helm.

[JordansBulls]

Send him to the Bulls.

In fact send him and Camby to Chicago for Hinrich, Gordon, Nocioni and Gray.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

It is funny because alot of Nuggets fan act like they were contenders and getting out the first round before Iverson even got there.

Actually, before the AI trade and suspensions, the team was looking a lot better that year (Melo was even on the early list for MVP). Against the Spurs, Melo and Nene were doing great, but instead of passing them the ball more, AI costs the Nuggets the series by trying to do it himself and missing his shots.

Why do Nuggets fans want AI out? Because he hasn't worked in Denver. A lot of the blame could be on the coach, but AI could ignore the coach and pass to his team mates more. And you really shouldn't bring up defense. AI doesn't help them much. He does gamble for steals, but then the team has to try to cover for him when those gambles fail. He also doesn't have the size to guard SG's and Karl thinks starting another 6 footer with him is a good idea.

Trading Melo to try and build around an older, short, SG, would put Denver back where it had been before Melo. In the basement. May not happen for a year or two, but it would.

[The Main Event]

Ya, Nene is a real under achiever because he wouldn't play after having a testicular cancer surgery.

[Truthiracy]

Nuggets haven't had success because they don't play defense.. D up, and you'll win more games.

[elbowthrower]

Why do so many Nugget fans want AI gone and blame him for their failure? I mean getting rid of AI won’t make the Nuggets contenders at all.

They're not contenders with him either.

He's a great player but the pieces Denver has aren't fitting. Someone's gotta go. KMart and Nene are hard to trade. Camby is likely gone but that isn't going to make a difference. Kleiza and JR are cheap, young players who still have a lot of upside.

So that leaves either AI or Carmelo. Who do you bet on? The very good, but aging SG whose contract is up after next year anyway, or the 23 year-old SF who has improved various aspects of his game every single year?

I like AI a lot but he belongs somewhere else.

[AILebronMelo]

Nene hasnt dont jack **** in the league. I know he had a cancer growth and I feel sorry for him. However wants his excuse for sitting out for a pinky injury? or coming to camp fat every year? You Nuggets fans act like he the second coming or someting. If Camby is traded you better pray a decent big man comes to Denver because I am sorry but Nene has not done jack **** in the league for the Nuggets to give him that huge contract. Maybe if Denver gets a real coach and make his team play good team defense then they will get past the first round. Nuggets front office need to stop passing out big contracts to stiffs who never done nothing in the league. Nuggets fans are a trip saying they were going to do this and that because Melo was an early season MVP which do not mean nothing. Championships are won playing 82 games in the season not a portion of the season. So you guys point about Melo and Nene doing this and that against the Spurs and blaming AI holds no weight. I guess AI made the Nuggets get bounce the last 5 years in the first round as well.

[Alinchip]

NO SPAMMING

Edit: Blame Rasho

[elbowthrower]

Nene hasnt dont jack **** in the league. I know he had a cancer growth and I feel sorry for him. However wants his excuse for sitting out for a pinky injury? or coming to camp fat every year? You Nuggets fans act like he the second coming or someting. If Camby is traded you better pray a decent big man comes to Denver because I am sorry but Nene has not done jack **** in the league for the Nuggets to give him that huge contract. Maybe if Denver gets a real coach and make his team play good team defense then they will get past the first round. Nuggets front office need to stop passing out big contracts to stiffs who never done nothing in the league. Nuggets fans are a trip saying they were going to do this and that because Melo was an early season MVP which do not mean nothing. Championships are won playing 82 games in the season not a portion of the season. So you guys point about Melo and Nene doing this and that against the Spurs and blaming AI holds no weight. I guess AI made the Nuggets get bounce the last 5 years in the first round as well.

So it appears that you're more a fan of the players than the team. That's not a judgment, more of an observation.

From a team perspective though, would you honestly say that AI is going to get Denver any farther than they made it with him on the team last year? If you were thinking about the best long-term interest of the team, would you choose him over Carmelo?

[Peanut]

This is a easy question.

Nuggets fans want him gone because he doesn't fit the team and he does more bad than good. Having A.I. on the team forces Karl to play another 6 foot midget because the guy doesn't want to play point guard. With us having another 6 foot midget on the floor, it automatically weakens the defense while also making the offense worse because the point guard that's starting isn't much on offense. If Iverson wanted to win like he said, he'd change his game, tell the coach he'll play pg, and attempted to incorporate his teammates more often. Instead, the guy wants to be a chucker.

He has no jumpshot so the only way he scores is by getting a layup and getting freethrows. Thats good if you're Lebron, but when you're 6 ft and thats the only way you can score, how does that benefit the Nuggets? It still allows teams to collapse on Carmelo and there are still no shooters on the floor because a scrub is forced to play pg alongside Iverson. It doesn't help when the point guard passes the ball to him as soon as he cross halfcourt which make having another pg on the floor irrelevant.

Prior to A.I., the Nuggets had a team built for success. If they didn't get out of the first round that year, they would've gotten out soon enough. They traded draft picks, Andre Miller, and sent JR Smith to the bench. The Nuggets are now in the "Kings mode". That means they're not young enough to rebuild and not good enough to contend. Had A.I. not been here, they starting 5 would've been set with nice veterans who do their role, while also having a young bench who could've stepped in when the team seen that their current team wasn't working.

Pretty much, A.I. is useless on the Nuggets and he prefers to win his way and not the right way. Thats the reason why this team isn't going anywhere and that's why we want him gone. A.I. is a great player. Will be a first ballot hall of famer, but his game doesn't fit well with the Nuggets. Unless you got a defensive minded team like the 01 76ers, Allen Iverson is pretty useless.

[AILebronMelo]

Nene hasnt dont jack **** in the league. I know he had a cancer growth and I feel sorry for him. However wants his excuse for sitting out for a pinky injury? or coming to camp fat every year? You Nuggets fans act like he the second coming or someting. If Camby is traded you better pray a decent big man comes to Denver because I am sorry but Nene has not done jack **** in the league for the Nuggets to give him that huge contract. Maybe if Denver gets a real coach and make his team play good team defense then they will get past the first round. Nuggets front office need to stop passing out big contracts to stiffs who never done nothing in the league. Nuggets fans are a trip saying they were going to do this and that because Melo was an early season MVP which do not mean nothing. Championships are won playing 82 games in the season not a portion of the season. So you guys point about Melo and Nene doing this and that against the Spurs and blaming AI holds no weight. I guess AI made the Nuggets get bounce the last 5 years in the first round as well.

So it appears that you're more a fan of the players than the team. That's not a judgment, more of an observation.

From a team perspective though, would you honestly say that AI is going to get Denver any farther than they made it with him on the team last year? If you were thinking about the best long-term interest of the team, would you choose him over Carmelo?

I am not more of a fan of the player I am a Nuggets fan first and foremost. However I am also honest and with that said the Nuggets was not doing anything great before AI step on the floor with them.

From a perspective I do not see the Nuggets going far with or without AI being that he is not the reason this team has not got past the first round ever. My point is you guys point the finger at Iverson like the Nuggets was already some type of contenders or something. The problem with Nuggets fans like you is the fact you guys make it a AI vs Melo thing. Me personally I do not give a **** who team it is all I want to see is a better product on the floor and this team getting to the championship level. However the only reason I would not built around AI is the fact he 32. However you can not really built around a player like Melo intil he matures and expand his game by making his team mates better like the Kobe's, Lebron's, and Wade's.

[Flash3]

It's not, nor is it Melo, but it's their team concept of defense, or lack there of it.

That's been their downfall for the past cpl of seasons....

[Troubadour]

NO SPAMMING

Edit: Blame Rasho

What if I don't want to blame Rasho?

[elbowthrower]

I am not more of a fan of the player I am a Nuggets fan first and foremost. However I am also honest and with that said the Nuggets was not doing anything great before AI step on the floor with them.

From a perspective I do not see the Nuggets going far with or without AI being that he is not the reason this team has not got past the first round ever. My point is you guys point the finger at Iverson like the Nuggets was already some type of contenders or something. The problem with Nuggets fans like you is the fact you guys make it a AI vs Melo thing. Me personally I do not give a **** who team it is all I want to see is a better product on the floor and this team getting to the championship level. However the only reason I would not built around AI is the fact he 32. However you can not really built around a player like Melo intil he matures and expand his game by making his team mates better like the Kobe's, Lebron's, and Wade's.

I hate the whole AI vs. Melo thing, especially the "whose team is it?" debate.

But you have to be practical. AI and Carmelo on the same team is looking extremely unlikely to get the Nugs a championship. So again, which of them do you build around?

And you can build around Melo. He has carried the team in the past and if you want to use Kobe as an example, remember how long it took him to get back to the championship.

[Relentless88]

This team needs Ron Artest. Melo and AI need to play defense...or this team will just waste the talent each year.

[ambiglight]

The guys a lightning rod for criticism. Anytime you have a professed legacy of "doing it your way" while invoking the names magic, kareem, and jordan; saying you dont want to be like them, folks are going to look at you just that much harder. For years the cat murdered the league doing it his way. Achieving personal accolades, and breaking all kinds of records along the way while pissing off traditionalists and many a stat guru that couldnt explain how someone so inefficient, so undersized, and so 'selfish' could possibly be so good and will his way to a bid for a championship. Well its a decade and some change later, AI's mellowed out a lot, more efficient, a lot more selfless. And this new more mature AI aint winning shhht. Lols. The cat finally conceded that his critics were right and now is playing like they want him too. And of course the passive role playing selfless AI is the ineffectual AI. Now his team cant depend on his aggressiveness or will power to compensate for management and coaching deficiencies. So the fans are rightfully disappointed. He's not the AI that was advertised and he's definitely not the traditional role player or sidekick, so naturally AI in limbo as far as roles just makes for chemistry issues in denver. Think about it, fans actually expect him to average 20 and 10 from the shooting guard position. His mistake was in giving them the impression that its possible, by leading the league in assists for the shooting guard position. But i digress, if you're an AI fan just realize that he's in another phase of his career. Hes not going to get love like he did when he was a franchise player. But as a future hall of famer, he will get the blame when things dont go as planned. In the meantime, hope they move AI to the point and start JR, trade Camby for someone like Kamen, replace karl with avery and they might give him another chance at a ring. Otherwise, hope he gets traded to or goes to Orlando in free agency in a year or two. Cause its only going to go downhill from here.

[Peanut]

^^^^^

[DaFan334]

He needs to move to the point and play that role for this team to be successful. If he can be more of a passer, he and JR Smith should be able to work very well together in the Nuggets backcourt. JR Smith could also use some work on his handles as he could share some of the distribution duties on occasion as well.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

with Kenyon Martin, Anthony Carter, Eduardo Najero getting 20+ minutes a game..i always though the great talent on this team was overrated.

Ai and Melo are not the problem..though they shouldve played better in the playoffs.