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Now that Philly has made a huge move to improve while giving up ZERO to get an allstar player for their Playoff team who game Detroit a huge scare, whos 2nd in the Atlantic Division now?

The raptors on the other hand played 600. ball until the last 6 weeks where Bosh/TJ got injured and never played the level they did at the beginning of the season despite having a easier schedule. TJ lost his starting spot to Calderon and started sulking, the team never got the confidence back and it carried over to the Playoffs.

Heres the starting line up, imo..

Andre Miller < Jose Calderon
Iggy >>>>> Parker
Young = Moon
Brand = Bosh (Depending on Brand health, this can be Bosh's running away)
Dalembert <<<< Jermaine

I say Raptors will be taking the #2 spot but thats just the homer in me talking. What do you think? While Brand may be the better player, O'neal gives us what we lacked last year, Rebounding and Defence.

You started this thread in order to read warm and fuzzy comments about the Raptors.. admit it.

The Nets. Brook Lopez is going to beast on the weak bigs in the east, and CDR is going to CD-Rape some ho's cuz that's how CDR rolls.

Jermaine is not that much better than Dalembert. I mean he plays half a season at 13.6ppg 6.7rpg? The only stat that stands out is 2.1bpg. Dalembert got 10.5ppg 10.4rpg and 2.3bpg, and shot much better than Jermaine too. Hell I'd give Dalembert the edge right now.

I'm sure Philly will be number 2 in the Atlantic.

Sixers

Jermaine O'neal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Dalembert.

N1QUE24 wrote:You started this thread in order to read warm and fuzzy comments about the Raptors.. admit it.

Yea since the those bitches at the raptors forum is so pessimistic

Brooke Lopez, meet Jawai, you'll be askin why when he jaws on you.
No, i think he'll literally eat someone, well thats my first impression...

Sixers>Raptors sorry to rain on your parade.
Sixers weren't that far off from the Raptors last season. Now they have Brand.

BTW Brand>Jermaine

TheRaptor! wrote:Now that Philly has made a huge move to improve while giving up ZERO to get an allstar player for their Playoff team who game Detroit a huge scare, whos 2nd in the Atlantic Division now?

The raptors on the other hand played 600. ball until the last 6 weeks where Bosh/TJ got injured and never played the level they did at the beginning of the season despite having a easier schedule. TJ lost his starting spot to Calderon and started sulking, the team never got the confidence back and it carried over to the Playoffs.

Heres the starting line up, imo..

Andre Miller < Jose Calderon
Iggy >>>>> Parker
Young = Moon
Brand = Bosh (Depending on Brand health, this can be Bosh's running away)
Dalembert <<<< Jermaine

I say Raptors will be taking the #2 spot but thats just the homer in me talking. What do you think? While Brand may be the better player, O'neal gives us what we lacked last year, Rebounding and Defence.

I love how you question Brand's health... but not Jermaine's?!?! All because he's a Raptor. Don't be surprised if he spends half the season watching from the sidelines.

haha.

New York Knicks

NetsForce wrote:Jermaine O'neal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Dalembert.

That should say "Jermaine O'Neal was SIGNIFIICANTLY better than Dalembert." The difference isn't quite so big these days, especially when you consider how often JO is injured.

So to go back to those original rankings...

Andre Miller = Jose Calderon
Andre Iguodala >> Anthony Parker
Thad Young > Jamario Moon
Elton Brand = Chris Bosh
Sam Dalembert < Jermaine O'Neal

Not that any of these individual rankings really mean anything. The Sixers problem is going to stem from them being the worst 3 point shooting team in the league. Hopefully that gets somewhat remedied with some role playing shooters off the bench. That defense is going to be suffocating though.

NetsForce wrote:Jermaine O'neal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Dalembert.

talent wise, sure. though i'm not so sure i'd go as far as saying significantly, but i'll give it to you anyway.

but with oneals age, inability to stay healthy and actually BE on the court and overall diminishing skill set i'd maybe even give the edge to dalembert now

knicksNOTslick wrote:

TheRaptor! wrote:Now that Philly has made a huge move to improve while giving up ZERO to get an allstar player for their Playoff team who game Detroit a huge scare, whos 2nd in the Atlantic Division now?

The raptors on the other hand played 600. ball until the last 6 weeks where Bosh/TJ got injured and never played the level they did at the beginning of the season despite having a easier schedule. TJ lost his starting spot to Calderon and started sulking, the team never got the confidence back and it carried over to the Playoffs.

Heres the starting line up, imo..

Andre Miller < Jose Calderon
Iggy >>>>> Parker
Young = Moon
Brand = Bosh (Depending on Brand health, this can be Bosh's running away)
Dalembert <<<< Jermaine

I say Raptors will be taking the #2 spot but thats just the homer in me talking. What do you think? While Brand may be the better player, O'neal gives us what we lacked last year, Rebounding and Defence.

I love how you question Brand's health... but not Jermaine's?!?! All because he's a Raptor. Don't be surprised if he spends half the season watching from the sidelines.

haha.

This is why i hope the knicks suck for the rest of your lifetime.

I question Brand's health and no JOs because he said he choose not to play last year to get healed up and he is as healthy as he was 2 yrs ago, i take his word for it. Anyway, to the other guy, there is no parade, the majority says Philly > Toronto, even on our own board, you were saying?

Is it homer to say that I like our #1 pick and Kapono more then Phily's bench?

youngcrev wrote:

NetsForce wrote:Jermaine O'neal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Dalembert.

That should say "Jermaine O'Neal was SIGNIFIICANTLY better than Dalembert." The difference isn't quite so big these days, especially when you consider how often JO is injured.

So to go back to those original rankings...

Andre Miller = Jose Calderon
Andre Iguodala >> Anthony Parker
Thad Young > Jamario Moon
Elton Brand = Chris Bosh
Sam Dalembert < Jermaine O'Neal

Not that any of these individual rankings really mean anything. The Sixers problem is going to stem from them being the worst 3 point shooting team in the league. Hopefully that gets somewhat remedied with some role playing shooters off the bench. That defense is going to be suffocating though.

Thad Young > Moon? As a player, Moon = Young, I'm not talkin about potential or any of that BS. I doubt Moon is going to be a starter next year, so Kapono > Young, I expect Kapono to do what he did in the playoffs all season long next year.

Calderon > Andre, no question. The guy can't shoot from outside 20 ft.

Calderon's stats - 30.3 MPG 11.2 PPG 8.3 APG 0.519FG% 0.908 FT% 0.429 3P%
Miller's stats - 36.8 MPG 17 PPG 6.9 AGP 0.492 FG% 0.772 FT% 0.088 3P%

Oh and don't let Miller's PPG fool you, he takes 14 shots per game while Calderon takes 8.6 shots per game.

Did I mention how he had to share PG duties with TJ Ford? Calderon > Miller and it ain't even close.

youngcrev wrote:

NetsForce wrote:Jermaine O'neal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Dalembert.

That should say "Jermaine O'Neal was SIGNIFIICANTLY better than Dalembert." The difference isn't quite so big these days, especially when you consider how often JO is injured.

So to go back to those original rankings...

Andre Miller = Jose Calderon
Andre Iguodala >> Anthony Parker
Thad Young > Jamario Moon
Elton Brand = Chris Bosh
Sam Dalembert < Jermaine O'Neal

Not that any of these individual rankings really mean anything. The Sixers problem is going to stem from them being the worst 3 point shooting team in the league. Hopefully that gets somewhat remedied with some role playing shooters off the bench. That defense is going to be suffocating though.

I don't see how Young is > Moon. It should be more like =.

TheRaptor! wrote:

youngcrev wrote:

NetsForce wrote:Jermaine O'neal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Dalembert.

That should say "Jermaine O'Neal was SIGNIFIICANTLY better than Dalembert." The difference isn't quite so big these days, especially when you consider how often JO is injured.

So to go back to those original rankings...

Andre Miller = Jose Calderon
Andre Iguodala >> Anthony Parker
Thad Young > Jamario Moon
Elton Brand = Chris Bosh
Sam Dalembert < Jermaine O'Neal

Not that any of these individual rankings really mean anything. The Sixers problem is going to stem from them being the worst 3 point shooting team in the league. Hopefully that gets somewhat remedied with some role playing shooters off the bench. That defense is going to be suffocating though.

Thad Young > Moon? As a player, Moon = Young, I'm not talkin about potential or any of that BS. I doubt Moon is going to be a starter next year, so Kapono > Young, I expect Kapono to do what he did in the playoffs all season long next year.

Calderon > Andre, no question. The guy can't shoot from outside 20 ft.

Calderon's stats - 30.3 MPG 11.2 PPG 8.3 APG 0.519FG% 0.908 FT% 0.429 3P%
Miller's stats - 36.8 MPG 17 PPG 6.9 AGP 0.492 FG% 0.772 FT% 0.088 3P%

I would actually say Miller = Calderon right now. Dre is very underrated for some reason. Fact is, he is a very solid pg and quite a general running the point. As good of a season as you might think Calderon had, he still needs to improve in a lot of areas of his game in order for me to outright put him over Miller. Mostly on the defensive end.

The Raptors were never a good defensive team, but Andre is simply not that great. I just don't see it.

Defense, I'll give him that, but Scoring? Nope (not as efficient as calderon) passing? (not as good as calderon).

Calderon had to share minutes with Ford and still had a great season, he was almost voted into the allstar game last year despite being backup to Ford.

We these past 2 seasons have called Andre Miller the ping pong ball killer.