So does Randolph have value after all?

Alex_De_Large · Post #1 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:29 am

Here says the Knicks rejected an offer from the Clipps for Zach?

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _randolph/

What play did the clipps offer? i guess it was cuttino mobley and tim thomas...

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #2 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:33 am

Randolph can be good next to a defensive minded center, not Curry...no one can deny that hes a very good rebounder

Serpo · Post #3 » by **Serpo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:35 am

For some teams probably . For teams looking at 2010 ? Not at all.

The Clippers right now are probably quite desperate and need to replace Brand with something now that they commited to Baron Davis . But other then that ?

Who's willing to pay Zach Randolph and the baggage he has so much money ?

Don't see anybody willing to roll the dice that much out there besides the Clipps.

Killuminati · Post #4 » by **Killuminati** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:40 am

Randolph is one-dimensional. A scoring PF who doesn't play D, a cancer in the locker-room, who lacks leadership skills. Just another above average player who won't mount to much.

Ballings7 · Post #5 » by **Ballings7** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:52 am

Of course Randolph has value, this guy can score and rebound well... he just hasn't been on a solid or better team yet... the Knicks and next to Curry certainly wasn't one.

Put him next to a center that will help him out on the boards and complement him as a defender, that's the best and proper fit for him.

You do have the concerns with attitude maybe, and passing more, but obviously somebody will be willing to take those on and try to improve them. Ramdolph won't be a Knick for that much longer.

I don't remember much of anything going on with the Knicks, or his last year in Portland relating to behavior? Was there really anything significant within the last two seasons from him?

Red Robot · Post #6 » by **Red Robot** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:23 am

His value can't have increased since the Knicks acquired him. He's coming off a significantly worse season. Maybe one or two teams would be interested in him, but his value in general is very low.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #7 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:32 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:Here says the Knicks rejected an offer from the Clipps for Zach?

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _randolph/

What play did the clipps offer? i guess it was cuttino mobley and tim thomas...

I'm guessing this rumor is brought to you by the same people who brought you Kobe to the Knicks.

NetsForce · Post #8 » by **NetsForce** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:24 am

If you're into astronomy and want to learn all about black holes, I guess Zach Randolph has some value...

Post #9 » by **miller31time** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:44 am

For his price, he's an inefficient scorer, a poor passer and a detriment on defense.

He is a good rebounder and a decent post-scorer (when he chooses to post up, which is not enough).

It seems as if the Knicks declined whatever trade was on the table because they believe D'Antoni can harness and maximize his talent.

For New York, I just feel like if the choices are A) cap relief or B) Randolph, you take the cap relief. They aren't going to be very competitive next year, even with a new coach and a high draft pick. They need to start building for the future, and Randolph (in my opinion) shouldn't be in their future plans.

Relentless88 · Post #10 » by **Relentless88** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:37 am

This guy averaged 0.2 blocks per game and he's like 6-9, point guards like Delonte West averaged more blocks.

Post #11 » by **TheCage4** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:47 am

When the offer was most likely Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas for Randolph, yes, he has value.

GuyverX · Post #12 » by **GuyverX** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:51 am

TheCage4 wrote:When the offer was most likely Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas for Randolph, yes, he has value.

Mobley and Thomas are on overpaid contracts but I'm really glad this one didn't go through. Randolph should be the last resort if they can't get anything from the remaining FA pool.

Dags · Post #13 » by **Dags** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:18 am

His value is what people are willing to pay to get him. If Walsh is rejecting deals that doesn't get back talent, it doesn't mean he has value. It simply means that Walsh wants more than he's getting offered. Doesn't mean he'll get it. In the end, it isn't what Walsh thinks, it's what the other GMs think. And so far it doesn't seem to be much.

lukeridenour · Post #14 » by **lukeridenour** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:26 am

hes a pretty big ball hog, not sure how well he'll work with baron, gordon, thornton, cat, all liking to shoot.

Apollo64 · Post #15 » by **Apollo64** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:28 pm

There aren't really any top-tier bigs left on the trading block, so to some people he has value as the next best thing available, he posts some big (and deceptive) numbers afterall...

Kosar86 · Post #16 » by **Kosar86** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:58 pm

Only knicks fans would equate a dumb gm decision (in turning down a deal) as = he must have tons of value!!!

You guys do know that walsh really hasnt done much as Indiana's GM over the last 4-5 years?

Jack wore plaid · Post #17 » by **Jack wore plaid** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:04 pm

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:Randolph can be good next to a defensive minded center, not Curry...no one can deny that hes a very good rebounder

Zach Randolph played next to Joel Przybilla in Portland. Przybilla is pretty much te picture you'd find next to the definition of defensive minded center. Zach Randolph scored a lot and rebounded a lot. What he didn't do was rotate on defense, get back on defense, play defense.

Someday people will start to realize that all Zach Randolph really does is put up numbers. He doesn't make the team better, or the players around him.

The Knicks were dumb not to trade him for cap space. Portland was lucky to get Fernandez, James Jones and Channing Frye for him....not to mention all of his salary gone so they could be FA players this next off season

randomhero423 · Post #18 » by **randomhero423** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:15 pm

Kosar86 wrote:Only knicks fans would equate a dumb gm decision (in turning down a deal) as = he must have tons of value!!!

You guys do know that walsh really hasnt done much as Indiana's GM over the last 4-5 years?

only dumbasses like you would think he was the gm when it was really larry bird.

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/larry_bird.htm

nice job...

Kosar86 · Post #19 » by **Kosar86** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:09 pm

Yeah, he just sat in an office and had no say in anything, thats why the knicks hired him.

Charlie78 · Post #20 » by **Charlie78** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:29 pm

Zach did continue to have problems in portland into his last season. Before the season started he had a little rape charge that he had to fight. Prior to that he had drag racing with guns in the car, and dont forget the infamous going to a strip club on the way to the airport right befor heading out for a funeral. Zach is really not a bad guy and I dont think it is fair to call him a cancer as he is not a leader but he is just stupid and cannot get away from his gang related friends of the past. He will never be on a winning team because what he does on the floor is not conducive to winning.