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Derrick Rose
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon (FA)
Luol Deng (FA)
Jaokhim Noah
Tyrus Thomas
Andres Nocioni
Thabo Safalosha
Larry Hughes
Aaron Gray
Drew Gooden
JamesOn Curry
Shannon Brown (FA)
Demetris Nichols (FA)
Cedric Simmons

You have 2 starting point guards. Neither one should come off the bench. Rose and Hinrich.
Then you move to the 2 spot, Larry Hughes is very mediocre, overpaid, low FG shooting shooting guard, and then you have undersized 2 Ben Gordon who's yet to be resigned.

You can't come to an agreement with Luol Deng's agent, so Bulls chairman Reinsdorf wants to negotiate a deal by himself. You also have Andres Nocioni who's a starting SF on most teams.


Then you have Gooden, Thomas, Gray, oh yeah and that kid who drinks beer and smokes pot on the highway Noah. None of these guys are elite Post Players. They're not good enough to attract a double team, something Chicago's needed for a while to free up their perimeter players.

I don't know what Paxson's plan is, do you? He's got so much talent, he should pull a blockbuster to get an elite Big Man. The roster is way too redundant the way it is.

I really don't understand why chicago didn't just draft beasley. Problem solved.

Noah was arrested for the beer/pot while walking on the street.

my take on what paxson is doing

1. he is trying to develop young guys 1st and foremost. young guys meaning NOAH, THOMAS ROSE. win or lose, those guys are going to play a crap load of minutes.

2. one of those guards will be traded. gordon or hinrich. more than likley gordon because he wants a crap load of money.

drew gooden will be our "post player" and i believe he has hopes that noah and thomas will work on their games this summer.

larry is untradeable. he will be kept here until his contract is up in 2010, so that the bulls have a shot at landing a big free agent that summer (wade, lebron, bosh, etc.)

don't believe what you read about reisndorf and deng.

short term, they want hinrich to start with rose i believe and they will attempt to trade gordon.

you tell me what "elite big men" who play in the post are out there? boozer MAYBE. zach is crazy and not elite. brand and jermaine have new homes. that elite guy doesn't exist. you think tim duncan is on the block?

there is no elite post player out there.

and they passed on beasley because they believe that the league is more guard driven because you can't put hands on defenders anymore. derrick rose can't shoot, but he's fast can get to the bucket. no one on our team can do that. it was a touch decision.

here is an interview a fellow realgm poster did with paxson
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Sum ... xson-2959/

Paxson is an idiot, and possibly the most overrated GM of all time.

Look how many top draft picks have been gifted to this man. But he's done virtually nothing with any of them. On top of it, he was a complete idiot for taking Rose this year, who was a much worse fit, less of a sure thing, and won't make an immediate impact on a team that was supposed to be adding just one piece. The entire NBA was clamoring to make a trade with the Bulls for the past three seasons, but the biggest move they made was giving away Tyson Chandler to get one year of PJ Brown. Look at all the talent that has filtered through this man's hands, and the Bulls have never made anything of it. Forget Gasol, they could have made a legit push for Kobe this past offseason. But they totally biffed the opportunity. They're too scared to give away any of their mediocre talent, and as a result, these players have now overvalued themselves and the Bulls don't want to pay for their services. Have fun wallowing as a fringe playoff team for the next five years, a jumpshooting squad will never make it further. Truth is, Paxson doesn't have the balls to put this team in contention. He's had the easiest job in the NBA and he hasn't done jack with it.

rose over beasley made no sense considering they really needed a beasley a lot more.

They need to trade two of either Gordon, Hinrich, Nocioni, Thomas and Noah. I agree that there's too much redundancy in their roster, and sitting on the sidelines makes it more difficult each day to land the player they need.

What I don't understand is, if all Memphis wanted for Pau Gasol was Kwame Brown, how the **** did Paxson and the Front Office blow this?

Bottom line, if Paxson thought Beasley was a better player (over the course of their careers) than Derrick Rose he would have drafted him. Rightly or wrongly he took who he thought was the better player. Forget the need for a "low post" player. When you have the #1 pick you take the best player. Feel free to debate who that is till you're blue in the face. Maybe Paxson doomed the Bulls to another decade of less than mediocrity, we'll see.

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Bottom line, if Paxson thought Beasley was a better player (over the course of their careers) than Derrick Rose he would have drafted him. Rightly or wrongly he took who he thought was the better player. Forget the need for a "low post" player. When you have the #1 pick you take the best player. Feel free to debate who that is till you're blue in the face. Maybe Paxson doomed the Bulls to another decade of less than mediocrity, we'll see.

Suppose Beasley was drafted, you honestly think he was going to get his 26ppg with Hinrich running the point? Hinrich can't make anyone better, Derrick Rose can which is why we drafted him, look at all the Western Conference teams that made the playoffs last year,

Chris Paul?
Deron Williams?
Allen Iverson?
Jason Kidd?
Tony Parker?
Steve Nash?

What do all these players have in common??

Paxson's worst move was giving a 32 year old Ben Wallace that huge contract. It really messed things up and down the roster and forced him to take on Larry Hughes to get rid of Wallace. His decision to not trade away their young talented but flawed players has really hurt them. Of course trading Aldridge for Thomas on draft night looked dumb from the beggining.

Malinhion wrote:Paxson is an idiot, and possibly the most overrated GM of all time.

Look how many top draft picks have been gifted to this man. But he's done virtually nothing with any of them. On top of it, he was a complete idiot for taking Rose this year, who was a much worse fit, less of a sure thing, and won't make an immediate impact on a team that was supposed to be adding just one piece. The entire NBA was clamoring to make a trade with the Bulls for the past three seasons, but the biggest move they made was giving away Tyson Chandler to get one year of PJ Brown. Look at all the talent that has filtered through this man's hands, and the Bulls have never made anything of it. Forget Gasol, they could have made a legit push for Kobe this past offseason. But they totally biffed the opportunity. They're too scared to give away any of their mediocre talent, and as a result, these players have now overvalued themselves and the Bulls don't want to pay for their services. Have fun wallowing as a fringe playoff team for the next five years, a jumpshooting squad will never make it further. Truth is, Paxson doesn't have the balls to put this team in contention. He's had the easiest job in the NBA and he hasn't done jack with it.

i have to disagree with you regarding the kobe thing. from what i understand the kobe talks went on until opening day last season. KOBE with his no trade clause put the stop to the deal because the lakers wanted deng. kobe wanted to play with deng.

do you think a team of hinrich-kobe-nocioni-joe smith-ben wallace would have made it to the finals? the lakers made it.

listen, the bulls offered

tyson chandler, luol deng, and the #2 pick that could have been roy-thomas-aldridge-morrison for KEVIN GARNETT

minnesota said NO WAY. they took al jefferson,gerald green and filler though.

not every deal has been screwed up by paxson.

the bulls offered nocioni, pj brown and filler for pau gasol. the grizzlies said no and traded him for kwame brown.

here is why i think he is not overrated. he has drafted fairly well. the only miscue being passing on brandon roy for tyrus thomas.

you are judging him on rumored moves that he didn't make, not on things he actually did.

he traded tyson because he averaged 5 points and 8 rebounds for us. he was awful, ben wallace was an upgrade. NOT NOW, but 2 years ago he was. that money that was pj browns went to pay nocioni.

i don't think it's about being scared about giving away talent. it's about finding the right deal. he traded jamal crawford. he traded jalen rose. he traded eddy curry. he traded tyson chandler. he traded ben wallace and joe smith.

he liked those guys minus rose and crawford. and he traded them. he's not married to any of these guys. he just doesn't want to get a$$ raped on a trade.

2 years ago the bulls won 49 games. they were on the brink. a year later they win 33 games, paxson is an idiot but they are 1 piece away?????? how does that work?

BullsDynasty wrote:What I don't understand is, if all Memphis wanted for Pau Gasol was Kwame Brown, how the **** did Paxson and the Front Office blow this?

They weren't trading for talent, they wanted cap relief. 28 other GM's must have blown it aswell huh?

BullsDynasty wrote:

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Bottom line, if Paxson thought Beasley was a better player (over the course of their careers) than Derrick Rose he would have drafted him. Rightly or wrongly he took who he thought was the better player. Forget the need for a "low post" player. When you have the #1 pick you take the best player. Feel free to debate who that is till you're blue in the face. Maybe Paxson doomed the Bulls to another decade of less than mediocrity, we'll see.

Suppose Beasley was drafted, you honestly think he was going to get his 26ppg with Hinrich running the point? Hinrich can't make anyone better, Derrick Rose can which is why we drafted him, look at all the Western Conference teams that made the playoffs last year,

Chris Paul?
Deron Williams?
Allen Iverson?
Jason Kidd?
Tony Parker?
Steve Nash?

What do all these players have in common??

David West
Carlos Boozer
Melo
Dirk
Duncan
Amare/Shaq

BullsDynasty wrote:What I don't understand is, if all Memphis wanted for Pau Gasol was Kwame Brown, how the **** did Paxson and the Front Office blow this?

MEMPHIS WANTED RELIEF!!! THEY ARE NOT SELLING TICKETS DOWN THERE! THEY JUST WANTED TO DUMP HIS SALARY.

just like denver dumped camby. the bulls did not have that expiring contract to offer memphis financial relief.

the bulls offered pj brown, nocioni and junk. memphis said no. they wanted ben gordon, luol deng and pj brown.

would you trade gordon, deng, etc for gasol?

I will not pass judgment on Paxson yet until I see what happens the next few years with Rose, but I think we can all agree, what happens with Rose will show for good or bad what kind of GM he really is. This was by far his biggest decision in Chicago and I think his job will be riding on how successful this pick is.

The one thing I will say is this: Before the Bulls got the number 1 pick, back when they were projected the 11 or 12 pick, if you asked the Bulls what they needed this offseason through FA/draft/trades they would have said "we need a star type player, who can be our go to guy, who can provide scoring when needed, carry the scoring load, and provide some offense in the paint area"

I think we all know which player that describes the most.

I understand Hinrich played bad and underperformed last year, but you can say that about a lot of the Bulls players last year. I think he's a better player than he showed last year and he's proven that with the seasons prior.

There's some talk about Rose having "mild" tendinitis, hopefully that's not a big deal and he can play well despite it, although tendinitis at 19 years of age is not good to hear.

Of course all this doesn't really matter if Rose plays to his potential and is a great player, but Paxson has a lot riding on this pick.

One last thing, with all the character stuff thrown out about Beasley prior to the draft, I just find it so ironic, that it was Rose who was the first one to plead "guilty" to something.

Yes yes I know, it was only speeding, no biggie and you're right, it's not a big deal, but after all that was said about Beasley, it's definitely a little ironic.

cb4_89 wrote:

BullsDynasty wrote:

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Bottom line, if Paxson thought Beasley was a better player (over the course of their careers) than Derrick Rose he would have drafted him. Rightly or wrongly he took who he thought was the better player. Forget the need for a "low post" player. When you have the #1 pick you take the best player. Feel free to debate who that is till you're blue in the face. Maybe Paxson doomed the Bulls to another decade of less than mediocrity, we'll see.

Suppose Beasley was drafted, you honestly think he was going to get his 26ppg with Hinrich running the point? Hinrich can't make anyone better, Derrick Rose can which is why we drafted him, look at all the Western Conference teams that made the playoffs last year,

Chris Paul?
Deron Williams?
Allen Iverson?
Jason Kidd?
Tony Parker?
Steve Nash?

What do all these players have in common??

David West
Carlos Boozer
Melo
Dirk
Duncan
Amare/Shaq

Exactly. This whole PGs making other players into stars is a bunch of crap. Yeah, a good PG will make other players better, but good big men will do the same thing. Would Deron look as good running the pick and roll with Ben Wallace instead of with Boozer? I think not.

prorl wrote:Paxson's worst move was giving a 32 year old Ben Wallace that huge contract. It really messed things up and down the roster and forced him to take on Larry Hughes to get rid of Wallace. His decision to not trade away their young talented but flawed players has really hurt them. Of course trading Aldridge for Thomas on draft night looked dumb from the beggining.

the ben wallace thing was bad. but remember, the bulls had a lot of money available for free agents. there was 3 guys who were available that summer.

ben wallace, peja stajokovic, and al harrington. peja had back troubles. me personally, i thought they should have split that money in half and got al harrington and joel pryzbilla. but they sent the motherload to ben wallace. i can't say it was bad for year 1. they had a good year.. but it was only 1 year.

aldridge for thomas was horrible but undertand this, when the bulls got the #2 pick they worked out 5-6 guys

thomas
aldridge
roy
morrison
gay
foye

paxson came on tv and said ROY IS THE MOST NBA READY PLAYER but we are commited to ben gordon. huh?

ben had a good year.. but damn. so they were drafting for position. remember malik allen and mike sweetney were our power forwards.

thomas and aldridge were the focus. they both had the same workout. they were the same! so they did not know who to choose. portland came calling and said we will throw in khryapa for you. for some reason the bulls liked viktor khryapa. and that is what sold them on taking thomas.

thomas and khryapa for lamarcus

brutal.

also, if you go back to the rookie years of lamarcus and tyrus.. it's not like aldridge was light years better than tyrus. alrdidge got REALLY good in his 2nd year while tyrus rarely played.

Malinhion wrote:Paxson is an idiot, and possibly the most overrated GM of all time.

Look how many top draft picks have been gifted to this man. But he's done virtually nothing with any of them. On top of it, he was a complete idiot for taking Rose this year, who was a much worse fit, less of a sure thing, and won't make an immediate impact on a team that was supposed to be adding just one piece. The entire NBA was clamoring to make a trade with the Bulls for the past three seasons, but the biggest move they made was giving away Tyson Chandler to get one year of PJ Brown. Look at all the talent that has filtered through this man's hands, and the Bulls have never made anything of it. Forget Gasol, they could have made a legit push for Kobe this past offseason. But they totally biffed the opportunity. They're too scared to give away any of their mediocre talent, and as a result, these players have now overvalued themselves and the Bulls don't want to pay for their services. Have fun wallowing as a fringe playoff team for the next five years, a jumpshooting squad will never make it further. Truth is, Paxson doesn't have the balls to put this team in contention. He's had the easiest job in the NBA and he hasn't done jack with it.

Man, I love this post!!

Can you post this in the Bulls forum please???

Malinhion wrote:Paxson is an idiot, and possibly the most overrated GM of all time.

Considering the criticism he has received the last two years, I don't know how he can be considered overrated. What he was lauded for was changing the culture and tenor of a team that had been completely destroyed by Jerry Krause. he did that, and he did it well.

Look how many top draft picks have been gifted to this man. But he's done virtually nothing with any of them.

Aside from the last two picks (Which we can debate on end, which of the Hinrich, Gordon, Deng picks was a bad pick? Who drafted after them would have made a difference?

On top of it, he was a complete idiot for taking Rose this year, who was a much worse fit, less of a sure thing, and won't make an immediate impact on a team that was supposed to be adding just one piece.

So you advocate not taking the best player with the #1 pick? Who said the Bulls were one piece away? Did you watch them play last year?

The entire NBA was clamoring to make a trade with the Bulls for the past three seasons,

The entire NBA huh? I count two teams that were active with the Bulls in trade discussions - Memphis and LA. Pax tried with Minnesota, and offered Deng, Chandler and the #2 pick for KG but McHale wasn't ready to trade yet.

but the biggest move they made was giving away Tyson Chandler to get one year of PJ Brown.

Crappy move but a necessity because of the owners refusal to pay one dollar of the luxury tax. Based off of the Wallace signing which turned out to be a terrible move.

Look at all the talent that has filtered through this man's hands, and the Bulls have never made anything of it.

How about citing some examples.

Forget Gasol, they could have made a legit push for Kobe this past offseason. But they totally biffed the opportunity.

Reports are that Kobe is the one who vetoed the Bulls trades - he didn't want to go to a team that was worse than the one he was leaving, and he thought the Bulls were gutting the team.

They're too scared to give away any of their mediocre talent,

Based on what? The Bulls had Deng, Chandler, Gordon, Thomas, Hinrich and pretty much the rest of the team involved in trades at what point or another.

and as a result, these players have now overvalued themselves and the Bulls don't want to pay for their services.

Based on what? Does Atlanta not want to pay Josh Smith? Does Charlotte not want to pay Okafor. Does Philly not want to pay Iggy?

Have fun wallowing as a fringe playoff team for the next five years, a jumpshooting squad will never make it further.

Okay.

Truth is, Paxson doesn't have the balls to put this team in contention. He's had the easiest job in the NBA and he hasn't done jack with it.

Apparently you have never met Jerry Reinsdorf.

Most of your rant is based off of BS reports from lazy reporters who don't know better. Spend 5 minutes on the Bulls board, its easy to find its in the "C's". Paxson has plenty of faults, but most of what you posted has been thoroughly refuted.