’06 Dwayne Wade vs ’22 Stephen Curry

[Peregrine01]

warriors fans making it seem like the argument comes down to whether Wade had favorable calls in one series. How transparent can you get?

I’m not even a Warriors fan. That series was just an anomaly to me in terms of the amount of free throws that one player got. Not even Shaq had a parade to the line like that and teams deliberately hacked him.

[No-more-rings]

warriors fans making it seem like the argument comes down to whether Wade had favorable calls in one series. How transparent can you get?

I’m not even a Warriors fan. That series was just an anomaly to me in terms of the amount of free throws that one player got. Not even Shaq had a parade to the line like that and teams deliberately hacked him.

For all the outcry and focus on one series sort of undermines that Wade was great throughout the whole season and especially the playoffs overall.

[Stan]

I really don't see the argument for Curry here. Wade was better in both the regular season and playoffs.

[f4p]

I'm biased as a Heat fan but it's hard to take the officiating complaints seriously when the singular foul most often cited as evidence of questionable reffing is the Gm5 foul in OT that gave Miami its winning points, on a play where Wade literally got fouled 3 times

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Like I haven't gone back and reviewed every foul in that series but if this is the one that leads the outrage then I'm not sure if I even need to

i've been defending wade in this thread and even have him high on my peaks vote. but it's not that someone can't claim wade was fouled, it's that it was a soft-ass foul for a game-winning OT finals shot where he basically tried to jump through 3 people. like how many guys have been fouled more and harder and not gotten any ft's in such situations? probably a lot based on the way ends of games are called. it's the constant benefit of the doubt that gets to people. because you can go back through almost any play in an nba game and probably figure out a way the refs got the call right if you want to say it was enough contact for a foul or or not enough so it should be a "play on." but it's accepted that they will balance out the 50/50 calls. wade didn't seem to have 50/50 calls. more like 95/5 calls. when everyone is already talking about how many calls a guy is getting because it seems so crazy, and he already has 23 in that game, to then give him that kind of call on top of all of that to win his team the game. it kind of stops being believable that you are getting all the calls right.

i will say that i watched game 3 (i think i mentioned it in this thread) and the calls weren't too terrible. but there used to be a compilation from either game 5 or 6 (i think game 5) with i think 5 of the most obvious non-calls ever and wade getting a call every time. i can't find it so it might just be from an old channel. wade played great. he also got way too many calls.


also, i watched game 7 between the spurs and mavs. duncan got some of the softest calls ever in that game as well. if i was a mavs fans, i would have been a wee apoplectic about the refs in the 2006 playoffs.

[HeartBreakKid]

warriors fans making it seem like the argument comes down to whether Wade had favorable calls in one series. How transparent can you get?

I’m not even a Warriors fan. That series was just an anomaly to me in terms of the amount of free throws that one player got. Not even Shaq had a parade to the line like that and teams deliberately hacked him.

Right but even if you omit that series, which you shouldn't, Wade's season is just as phenomenal. It's not like that series was the only thing that mattered or some outlier for him. He had a better series literally right before it.

It almost feels like a pseudo ring argument. Like if we imagine Wade didn't have a ring due to the refs it would thus be a reason why he is inferior to Curry. If the Heat had not won a ring that year Wade would still be better than a quickly declining Curry and a whole slew of other MVP caliber guys.

[Peregrine01]

warriors fans making it seem like the argument comes down to whether Wade had favorable calls in one series. How transparent can you get?

I’m not even a Warriors fan. That series was just an anomaly to me in terms of the amount of free throws that one player got. Not even Shaq had a parade to the line like that and teams deliberately hacked him.

Right but even if you omit that series, which you shouldn't, Wade's season is just as phenomenal. It's not like that series was the only thing that mattered or some outlier for him. He had a better series literally right before it.

It almost feels like a pseudo ring argument. Like if we imagine Wade didn't have a ring due to the refs it would thus be a reason why he is inferior to Curry. If the Heat had not won a ring that year Wade would still be better than a quickly declining Curry and a whole slew of other MVP caliber guys.

I agree that Wade was great that season and playoffs but he certainly rose to that prominence largely because of the Finals and to me, that series was discolored by the officiating. I don't even really disagree with you - I thought Wade was better than Curry for much of the regular season and playoffs. But Curry's performance in the finals was a lot more impressive to me.

[DonaldSanders]

warriors fans making it seem like the argument comes down to whether Wade had favorable calls in one series. How transparent can you get?

It's common to feel the Finals performance matters a lot in the series and Wade's story changed a lot by winning this Finals. In fact if he lost, it's likely this thread isn't even made. If you prefer Wade based on regular season performance, fine, I just don't really care about the regular season that much when it comes to overall opinions of a season. If you think that's silly fine but let's not make this about Curry or me being a Warriors fans. You're making a bad faith argument.

Go ahead and do Wade vs. a lot of Finals performances, I'm going to have the same opinion. I watched the '06 Finals and found it difficult to gauge the series because of amount of whistles. I challenge you to go back and watch Games 5 and 6 and not have the eyes roll into the back of your head at the constant whistles in 1 and 3 point games.

[Bomb81]

Wade.