Stalwart wrote:1. After watching about 10 mins of your video honestly Im seeing nothing but bad shots. A full 80-85% of these shots are either low percentage looks or poorly executed in terms of form and technique...usually both. I'm seeing hooks shots slapping off the side of the backboard. Poor balance and form on jumpshots. I'm seeing some very, long drawn out, dosey doe looking turn around jump shots. I'm not sure if were watching the same game here.
You mean shots like these:
You could see literally one hook shot slapping off the side of the backboard, you shouldn't use plural number here. Again, nothing wrong with Selvy, Jones, West, LaRusso or Heinsohn shooting forms.
1984 game is full of fondamentally poorly executed shots as well.
2. The 1962 game is more fast paced but its also very sloppy in comparison to the 1984 game. They are running some picks and some action but it's really just guys running around and reacting(slowly) to the defense. Its very frenetic and out of control. In the 84 game its slower and more methodic because the teams are trying execute specific plays and create specific shots.
Players also executed plays in 1962 game. Here is the literally first possession of the game:
You can see here a ball-movement that wasn't seen in 1984 game. Not because they weren't capable of, but because of different styles.
5. The physicality in the 1984 game is much more pronounced. It is true that the rules prevented this in the 1960s but this just speaks to the evolution of the game. By the 1980s the game of basketball had changed from what it was the 60s. And that was my whole point btw. The game had changed/evolved with Magic and Bird leading that particular stage of evolution.
Show me the exact example of this physicality. I don't see much wrestling inside and defenders weren't physical on perimeter either.
6. The reason jumpshots were contested better in 1962 was because they were so poorly executed. Guys took an extra second or two to set up their jumpshots. Plus the offenses weren't creating very many open looks to begin with.
That's not true, West has significantly quicker pull-up jumpshot than anyone in 1984 game. Jones had a quick release as well.
7. Sure. A lower IQ compared to the players that came after them. As the game evolved after the 80s so did strategy. Thats how it works.
So you agree that Bird and Magic were low IQ players compared to modern superstars?
8. The best basketball players in the world could barely use the left in 1962. By 1984 your average high school player could dribble with his left hand to some degree.
I already stated it's false, players used left hand in this game.
9. In the 1984 game Im seeing double teams, triple teams, traps, post defense. And of course a whole different level of intensity.
In 1984 you see the simplest double teams possible, because anything else was called an illegal defense. Compare that to what 1962 teams did like in these possessions:
The way Russell defended Lakers slashers wasn't possible back in the 1980s.
About lack of triple teams, that's also false:
11. Again, the 1962 offense is chaotic and isn't producing very many good shots. Guys don't really even seem to know what they are doing other than moving around and looking for openings. In the 1984 game everyone knows their place, their assignment, and what shot(s) they are looking to get. Its just a much more advanced game being played by guys with more skills, better skills, and a greater understanding of the game.
That's just false. Russell worked a lot to give Russell the ball in the post and shooters run around him to get open. Lakers created space for Baylor and West to operate in isolations. Celtics run a lot of off-ball actions.
It seems that any offense that doesn't strictly look for post up isolations is bad to you. Looking for 16 seconds for a post up isolation is not a good offense. It is not advanced either, it just happened that 1962 Lakers and Celtics weren't post oriented teams.
12. Again Im not sure if were watching the same game. The 84 players all look stronger, quicker, more explosive, more balanced, more intense.
Again, a lot of generalizations but few specifics. Russell looks like a different species next to Parish and old Kareem. The way he moves is in different startosphere compared to them.
Someone like Dennis Johnson isn't particulary athletic conpared to his peers but he still has a stronger, more athletic, more fit, and more capable body than someone like Frank Ramsey.
Frank Ramsey was past his physical prime in that season, why do you compare 1984 Celtics best guard to a bench player? Why don't you compare him to Sam Jones? Jones was quicker, faster and more mobile than DJ.
Same thing with Mchale and Maxwell compared to Tommy Heinsohn.
I disagree, Heinsohn was significantly more fluid than McHale with his movement. He was also more coordinated than either. He's smaller than Kevin of course, so it's not a perfect comparison. Satch Sanders was also comparable to Maxwell, both in terms of build and athleticism.
That monster dunk by Worthy was more explosive than West perhaps even Baylor was capable of.
Probably, but Baylor was still stronger, had better balance and had better body control in the air than Worthy.
West is a guard, so it's a tough comparison. With that being said, West was capable of some insane plays like this one from mentioned game:
That's outstanding recovery and great jump from basically standing point.
Worthy was a great athlete himself though, no disagreement here.
The 84 players are, generally speaking, physically superior athletes than the 1960s by a long shot.
Not really, especially not when you compare these teams.
13. Not just Kareem but Mchale, Parish Maxwell, or Bird either. Ir Magic for that matter. The post game in general was more advanced in the 80s compared to the 60s.
These two 1984 teams had more talented post players than 1962 teams. That's why they worked in the post so much, while 1962 didn't do that very often. If you take different teams from these years to comparison, the outcome could be different.
