Which player gets overrated the most because of recency biased?

[MyUniBroDavis]

Wardell. Duh

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How so? He came into the league after Lebron has as many titles and much less years, never left franchise and it wasn't a good one at that. Didn't team hop either with other stars on those teams.

You need to explain this!

seen as a top 10 player all time, when his career advanced totals dont matchup with the players in said tier. For example, career stats like bpm, vorp, win shares, also as a scoring guard his total career points arent that impressive

I would be astonished if chuck was serious

[MyUniBroDavis]

Jimmy Butler. In 2020 and 2022 he basically didn't lose any comparisons, 2021 people kind of just pretended he didn't exist.

I think it’s more 2022 playoff jimmy was a different breed when healthy lol

[Texas Chuck]

How so? He came into the league after Lebron has as many titles and much less years, never left franchise and it wasn't a good one at that. Didn't team hop either with other stars on those teams.

You need to explain this!

seen as a top 10 player all time, when his career advanced totals dont matchup with the players in said tier. For example, career stats like bpm, vorp, win shares, also as a scoring guard his total career points arent that impressive

I would be astonished if chuck was serious

I absolutely am serious. Now don't get me twisted, I think Steph Curry is an incredible basketball player. I just disagree he "solved" basketball or is the greatest offensive player of all-time. I don't think he's even the best offensive player of his own generation.

[falcolombardi]

seen as a top 10 player all time, when his career advanced totals dont matchup with the players in said tier. For example, career stats like bpm, vorp, win shares, also as a scoring guard his total career points arent that impressive

I would be astonished if chuck was serious

I absolutely am serious. Now don't get me twisted, I think Steph Curry is an incredible basketball player. I just disagree he "solved" basketball or is the greatest offensive player of all-time. I don't think he's even the best offensive player of his own generation.

The best example i can think of to exemplify this

If curry + kyrie reached the same offensive heights as lebron + durant, the "not a ceiling raiser" criticism on lebron would be somethingh he -never- would live down. It would be used as unarguable proof that curry is easily the best offensive "ceiling raiser" over lebron

Except that is exactly what happened in real life with lebron + kyrie vs curry + durant and people still say lebron is too ball dominant to create a high offensive ceiling like curry

[MyUniBroDavis]

seen as a top 10 player all time, when his career advanced totals dont matchup with the players in said tier. For example, career stats like bpm, vorp, win shares, also as a scoring guard his total career points arent that impressive

I would be astonished if chuck was serious

I absolutely am serious. Now don't get me twisted, I think Steph Curry is an incredible basketball player. I just disagree he "solved" basketball or is the greatest offensive player of all-time. I don't think he's even the best offensive player of his own generation.

I def don’t agree that he solved basketball, and with the greatest offensive player of all time stuff I think people tend to look at his offensive impact stuff being in that GOAT tier and look at that, although I do think guys like Jordan/bron were more reliable playoff time for sure. I agree that there are probably 2-3 people I’d have over him as my main offensive guy

Who would be better in his generation though? Unless we’re saying lebrons in the same generation

[MyUniBroDavis]

I would be astonished if chuck was serious

I absolutely am serious. Now don't get me twisted, I think Steph Curry is an incredible basketball player. I just disagree he "solved" basketball or is the greatest offensive player of all-time. I don't think he's even the best offensive player of his own generation.

The best example i can think of to exemplify this

If curry + kyrie reached the same offensive heights as lebron + durant, the "not a ceiling raiser" criticism on lebron would be somethingh he -never- would live down. It would be used as unarguable proof that curry is easily the best offensive "ceiling raiser" over lebron

Except that is exactly what happened in real life with lebron + kyrie vs curry + durant and people still say lebron is too ball dominant to create a high offensive ceiling like curry

The ceiling raiser stuff has always just been people liking certain aesthetics more I think

I feel you need guys to fit around your best guy in any team, modern day most high ball volume guys need good spacing, or good coaching + something in order to create reads when teams overhelp, with guys like Curry who primarily operate p and r vs mismatch hunting, you need a roll man that operates off the short roll well and good coaching/passing overall

I like evaluating guys off of profile, I’d take second stint cavs bron and Jordan over Curry gun to my head offensively probably.

I think Curry doesn’t have the same ability to get a bucket on command 1v1 when the team offense stagnates, but outside of that there isn’t really an area he lags behind other ATG in a general sense, maybe playmaking but he’s elite at that and honestly he makes the right passing read I think super consistently, but it’s gonna be pretty normal ones

If you construct the perfect team around bron, and the perfect one around Curry, I really don’t think it’s a given at all currys team would be better offensively, and I’d wager that I’d prefer brons even if it’s off rtg is a tad lower

Otoh I think currys probably the perfect partner for more guys altho that’s a comp different thing too

[falcolombardi]

I absolutely am serious. Now don't get me twisted, I think Steph Curry is an incredible basketball player. I just disagree he "solved" basketball or is the greatest offensive player of all-time. I don't think he's even the best offensive player of his own generation.

The best example i can think of to exemplify this

If curry + kyrie reached the same offensive heights as lebron + durant, the "not a ceiling raiser" criticism on lebron would be somethingh he -never- would live down. It would be used as unarguable proof that curry is easily the best offensive "ceiling raiser" over lebron

Except that is exactly what happened in real life with lebron + kyrie vs curry + durant and people still say lebron is too ball dominant to create a high offensive ceiling like curry

The ceiling raiser stuff has always just been people liking certain aesthetics more I think

I feel you need guys to fit around your best guy in any team, modern day most high ball volume guys need good spacing, or good coaching + something in order to create reads when teams overhelp, with guys like Curry who primarily operate p and r vs mismatch hunting, you need a roll man that operates off the short roll well and good coaching/passing overall

I like evaluating guys off of profile, I’d take second stint cavs bron and Jordan over Curry gun to my head offensively probably.

I think Curry doesn’t have the same ability to get a bucket on command 1v1 when the team offense stagnates, but outside of that there isn’t really an area he lags behind other ATG in a general sense, maybe playmaking but he’s elite at that and honestly he makes the right passing read I think super consistently, but it’s gonna be pretty normal ones

If you construct the perfect team around bron, and the perfect one around Curry, I really don’t think it’s a given at all currys team would be better offensively, and I’d wager that I’d prefer brons even if it’s off rtg is a tad lower

Otoh I think currys probably the perfect partner for more guys altho that’s a comp different thing too

Pretty much this, yeah

[Texas Chuck]

Who would be better in his generation though? Unless we’re saying lebrons in the same generation

How can Curry not be in Lebron's generation? I realize Lebron's career started well before because he was good enough to come out of high school plus he's older, but Curry's entire career has been spent dealing with Lebron.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Who would be better in his generation though? Unless we’re saying lebrons in the same generation

How can Curry not be in Lebron's generation? I realize Lebron's career started well before because he was good enough to come out of high school plus he's older, but Curry's entire career has been spent dealing with Lebron.

I’ve always thought of generation as like in a rough period around when they started

[HeartBreakKid]

Who would be better in his generation though? Unless we’re saying lebrons in the same generation

How can Curry not be in Lebron's generation? I realize Lebron's career started well before because he was good enough to come out of high school plus he's older, but Curry's entire career has been spent dealing with Lebron.

You already answered the question. They started their career at different points. Lebron is from Dwayne Wade's generation. Curry is not from Dwayne Wade's generation.

People from different generations can play with each other. George Foreman and Mike Tyson were both champs during the same period. They're both equally 90s boxers but George is from an older generaiton.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Who would be better in his generation though? Unless we’re saying lebrons in the same generation

How can Curry not be in Lebron's generation? I realize Lebron's career started well before because he was good enough to come out of high school plus he's older, but Curry's entire career has been spent dealing with Lebron.

You already answered the question. They started their career at different points. Lebron is from Dwayne Wade's generation. Curry is not from Dwayne Wade's generation.

People from different generations can play with each other. George Foreman and Mike Tyson were both champs during the same period. They're both equally 90s boxers but George is from an older generaiton.

I get the argument for both tbh, brons career is the same distance from Duncan/kobe and currys in terms of it starting, and I feel Kobe and Wade are considered the same generation

For me lebron was more then established when Curry got it going though, although I guess my top 3 lebron years is the same time as currys peak though

[dooki667]

Jimmy Butler. In 2020 and 2022 he basically didn't lose any comparisons, 2021 people kind of just pretended he didn't exist.

Heat fans posting his Playoff BPM and comparing him to Jordan/LeBron/Wade was fun.

Granted it was over hype but my god a couple them final games he BALLED OUT like damn jimmy.that was fun

[dooki667]

LeBron don't really fit the normal generation mold he's got peaks 09 13 18 30 ppg in 2021 him and curry may wind up retiring same year who knows at this point

[dooki667]

For me it’s Giannis Antetokounmpo, I know he got negative feedback from Gilbert Arenas but way too many people are ranking him high due to his recent title and his awards during the COVID-19 era. People were ranking him over KG at times which I think is absurd..

Interestingly on the peak project KG got 12 and Giannis 13 it definitely does seem like a good amount of people have them in a same tier of player.

[tsherkin]

For me lebron was more then established when Curry got it going though

Lebron had been in the league for six seasons already by the time Curry was drafted. Steph first averaged 20+ in his fourth season, so a decade into Lebron's career. That's the wild part about Lebron and his career span, heh.

[Stalwart]

Lebron James is the answer