[Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain

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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#21 » by 70sFan » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:20 pm

Yes Kareem's skillset didn't change, but his results were a lot better
Kareem scored 36 per 100 possession in the 80 playoffs versus 29 in 79, thats a huge increase, while still being pretty efficient

He had a different role in 1979 team though. Besides, he had better defensive and passing season, which you don't take into account. 1980 and 1979 are extremely close, no matter what would you look at.


In 71 playoffs, The league shot 45% fg, WIlt shot 49% scoring 22 a game against the best defense and 3rd (?) best defender in the league. That's not good to say the least?

It's not good, because on average players also shot far better from FT line than Wilt. Wilt had to score better from the field to remain efficient. He was still below average in TS% than playoffs average (48.8% vs 49.0%).

22 ppg on league average efficiency doesn't make you a strong, capable first option. It shows that Wilt still could score when needed, but he couldn't be the first option.

77 Walton was 50%, 19 ppg, 74 Cowens was 44%, 22.7 ppg,

1. 1977 Walton shot better from FT line, which made him better overall scorer - 52.7 TS% is better than 48.8 TS%, even adjusting to league average.
2. Dave Cowens certainly wasn't a good scorer, so I don't see your point.

The simple fact that you compare Wilt to Walton and Cowens, who are not known for being good scorers, proves my point. Wilt wasn't elite scorer anymore in 1971 and he couldn't carry the offense.
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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#22 » by DQuinn1575 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:31 pm

70sFan wrote:
Yes Kareem's skillset didn't change, but his results were a lot better
Kareem scored 36 per 100 possession in the 80 playoffs versus 29 in 79, thats a huge increase, while still being pretty efficient

He had a different role in 1979 team though. Besides, he had better defensive and passing season, which you don't take into account. 1980 and 1979 are extremely close, no matter what would you look at.


In 71 playoffs, The league shot 45% fg, WIlt shot 49% scoring 22 a game against the best defense and 3rd (?) best defender in the league. That's not good to say the least?

It's not good, because on average players also shot far better from FT line than Wilt. Wilt had to score better from the field to remain efficient. He was still below average in TS% than playoffs average (48.8% vs 49.0%).

22 ppg on league average efficiency doesn't make you a strong, capable first option. It shows that Wilt still could score when needed, but he couldn't be the first option.

77 Walton was 50%, 19 ppg, 74 Cowens was 44%, 22.7 ppg,

1. 1977 Walton shot better from FT line, which made him better overall scorer - 52.7 TS% is better than 48.8 TS%, even adjusting to league average.
2. Dave Cowens certainly wasn't a good scorer, so I don't see your point.

The simple fact that you compare Wilt to Walton and Cowens, who are not known for being good scorers, proves my point. Wilt wasn't elite scorer anymore in 1971 and he couldn't carry the offense.



Agreed, on WIlt's scoring - I wasn't contending that he was an elite scorer,
Cowens & Walton were 1/2 scorers on top teams in the league, I guess my definition of good is different than yours.
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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#24 » by Narigo » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:35 am

1.77 Kareem
2.64 Wilt
3.67 Wilt
4.76 Kareem
5.71 Kareem
6.74 Kareem
7.72 Kareem
8.68 Wilt
9.73 Kareem
10.66 Wilt
11.62 Wilt
12.63 Wilt



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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#25 » by 70sFan » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:15 am

Narigo wrote:1.77 Kareem
2.64 Wilt
3.67 Wilt
4.76 Kareem
5.71 Kareem
6.74 Kareem
7.72 Kareem
8.68 Wilt
9.73 Kareem
10.66 Wilt
11.62 Wilt
12.63 Wilt



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1963 Wilt over 1980 Kareem?
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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#26 » by Djoker » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:07 am

This was a pretty great project. Is there still interest in finishing it? If OP is gone I don't even mind running it myself from this point onwards.
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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#27 » by 70sFan » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:15 am

Djoker wrote:This was a pretty great project. Is there still interest in finishing it? If OP is gone I don't even mind running it myself from this point onwards.

Yeah, it was incredible. Unfortunately, Odinn isn't acrive here anymore, I hope he's doing well and just doesn't have the time to post here anymore.

I would like to finish this project, but I don't know how to handle this situation.
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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#28 » by Djoker » Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:56 pm

70sFan wrote:
Djoker wrote:This was a pretty great project. Is there still interest in finishing it? If OP is gone I don't even mind running it myself from this point onwards.

Yeah, it was incredible. Unfortunately, Odinn isn't acrive here anymore, I hope he's doing well and just doesn't have the time to post here anymore.

I would like to finish this project, but I don't know how to handle this situation.


Ok I will continue tracking the results in the spreadsheet. Maybe give a few hours to people if they want to make a vote for this comparison then I'll start the new thread which is Tim Duncan vs. Larry Bird.
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Re: [Project:Primes of the top 10 ever] List the top 12 seasons between Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#29 » by Djoker » Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:37 pm

Results on Google Sheets.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RD6wOE7nOP9E4EHTNonTYUH-MrAUqRBM/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=114806086860367043161&rtpof=true&sd=true

Kept the same format as the OP.

Points within top 12 seasons voted;
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 47 - 31 Wilt Chamberlain

Points totals in top 12 seasons voted;
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 317 - 211 Wilt Chamberlain

Winner: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

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