How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
Moderators: Clyde Frazier, Doctor MJ, trex_8063, penbeast0, PaulieWal
How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,544
- And1: 550
- Joined: Aug 27, 2008
How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
How many years of Karl Malone were better than peak Draymond Green?
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- Senior
- Posts: 726
- And1: 778
- Joined: Feb 11, 2023
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
At least all prime years? DOes peak Donkey carry them to two Finals? That's your answer. Also, Stockton would have left right away.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- Starter
- Posts: 2,266
- And1: 2,272
- Joined: Jul 01, 2022
-
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
Medbrat wrote:At least all prime years? DOes peak Donkey carry them to two Finals? That's your answer. Also, Stockton would have left right away.
Does Malone on the 15/16 Warriors result in 1 championship, 2 conference championships, and 140 regular season wins? Or does he come into Golden State and fail to display the synergy playing with and off of Stephen Curry, take away more optimal offensive possessions with spamming post ups, and fail to anchor the defense even closely to the extent Green did? Not insinuating I would take Green, but might want to frame your answer with specific nuance.
Mogspan wrote:I think they see the super rare combo of high IQ with freakish athleticism and overrate the former a bit, kind of like a hot girl who is rather articulate being thought of as “super smart.” I don’t know kind of a weird analogy, but you catch my drift.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
- eminence
- RealGM
- Posts: 16,924
- And1: 11,737
- Joined: Mar 07, 2015
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
Zero, zilch, nada. Draymond that could shoot was a weapon.
I bought a boat.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
- kendogg
- Starter
- Posts: 2,321
- And1: 513
- Joined: Apr 08, 2001
- Location: Cincinnati
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
all karl's prime years, which is most of his career. draymond gets too much credit for the warriors defense. yes he is a fantastic help defender and defensive communicator, but he's not the only cog in the defensive scheme and most of what he does is replaceable. the warriors have a 5 point difference in defensive rating without draymond over the past 7 seasons. noticeable difference but not the immense gap some would pretend there is. and that is including the fact that the warriors have never had great big man depth, so when draymond is out they are reaching deep into their bench.
karl is a good defender in his own right. he's a better man defender than draymond. immovable object in the post and also very quick for his size..i'd say he is equally as quick footed as draymond. GOAT class work ethic and stamina levels for a star player. and he's a far better rebounder. he's not a great rim protector but neither is draymond, though karl would do better in this era with so few 7 footers that have a length advantage over him. there's a 0% chance draymond can play center in any other era. they both have good hands, but draymond is better at interceptions while karl is better at slap downs. I don't think the warriors would lose much if anything replacing draymond with karl. it would take some adjustments for sure, but ultimately they wouldn't be much less effective if at all. really the only thing draymond does noticeably better in defensively is help defense. but karl is no slouch in that realm either just not elite like draymond, but how much of that is attributed to the difference in defensive schemes and personnel is hard to say.
offensively it's not even close. karl doesn't need the ball in his hands to do work either. he's one of the greatest screen setters in league history and that's exactly what curry and klay want. he's great as a roll man and a pop man, spacing the floor, moving and cutting, basically everything core to the warriors offense. karl is one of the GOAT midrange shooters of all time. his midrange peak is better than dirk or KG. we don't have shooting breakdown data for most of his career, but in 97 and 98 his 16-3PT range was a 52.8 and 53.6, while dirk's career high was 52.6 in 2011 and KG's peak is 48.6. and karl is also an elite finisher, far better than draymond. karl was no slouch as a passer either and didn't pad his totals by standing in the high post and waiting for curry or klay to come off a screen for the rondo assist.
draymond is a high level role player that thinks he's a star. karl has one of the 20 greatest peaks in league history. this thread is kind of an insult to karl malone honestly.
karl is a good defender in his own right. he's a better man defender than draymond. immovable object in the post and also very quick for his size..i'd say he is equally as quick footed as draymond. GOAT class work ethic and stamina levels for a star player. and he's a far better rebounder. he's not a great rim protector but neither is draymond, though karl would do better in this era with so few 7 footers that have a length advantage over him. there's a 0% chance draymond can play center in any other era. they both have good hands, but draymond is better at interceptions while karl is better at slap downs. I don't think the warriors would lose much if anything replacing draymond with karl. it would take some adjustments for sure, but ultimately they wouldn't be much less effective if at all. really the only thing draymond does noticeably better in defensively is help defense. but karl is no slouch in that realm either just not elite like draymond, but how much of that is attributed to the difference in defensive schemes and personnel is hard to say.
offensively it's not even close. karl doesn't need the ball in his hands to do work either. he's one of the greatest screen setters in league history and that's exactly what curry and klay want. he's great as a roll man and a pop man, spacing the floor, moving and cutting, basically everything core to the warriors offense. karl is one of the GOAT midrange shooters of all time. his midrange peak is better than dirk or KG. we don't have shooting breakdown data for most of his career, but in 97 and 98 his 16-3PT range was a 52.8 and 53.6, while dirk's career high was 52.6 in 2011 and KG's peak is 48.6. and karl is also an elite finisher, far better than draymond. karl was no slouch as a passer either and didn't pad his totals by standing in the high post and waiting for curry or klay to come off a screen for the rondo assist.
draymond is a high level role player that thinks he's a star. karl has one of the 20 greatest peaks in league history. this thread is kind of an insult to karl malone honestly.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- Assistant Coach
- Posts: 4,086
- And1: 4,247
- Joined: Apr 25, 2017
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
All prime years
Edit - not close tbh.
Edit - not close tbh.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
- Jaivl
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,042
- And1: 6,703
- Joined: Jan 28, 2014
- Location: A Coruña, Spain
- Contact:
-
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
How much of 16 Draymond's shooting is luck/variance à la 20 Davis? That's the question for me. The answer might honestly be zero if it was somewhat sustainable... (I have some doubts, so I have ~3 to 4ish Malone years slightly above peak Dray).
This place is a cesspool of mindless ineptitude, mental decrepitude, and intellectual lassitude. I refuse to be sucked any deeper into this whirlpool of groupthink sewage. My opinions have been expressed. I'm going to go take a shower.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 7,621
- And1: 4,913
- Joined: Sep 20, 2015
-
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,909
- And1: 11,409
- Joined: Jun 13, 2017
-
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
It's sort of reliant on the exact situation they are coming into. If the answer is right now/next season and scoring isn't a major priority then its sort of easy to pick peak Draymond over him I think. If you need scoring and its era relative then it skews hugely towards taking most of Karl's prime.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,169
- And1: 9,262
- Joined: Jan 22, 2012
-
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
I love Draymond but Karl Malone is on a different tier of player. So, age 25 until his late 30s Malone was superior. Strange question.
This is of course ignoring any "team fit" etc. arguments and just sheer player value.
This is of course ignoring any "team fit" etc. arguments and just sheer player value.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
-
- Sophomore
- Posts: 228
- And1: 250
- Joined: Aug 08, 2011
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
All years in Malone's prime.
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
- Narigo
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,791
- And1: 877
- Joined: Sep 20, 2010
-
Re: How many years of K-Malone over Peak Draymond?
Most of Malones prime. I would say from 89-01
Narigo's Fantasy Team
PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Sidney Moncrief
SF:
PF: James Worthy
C: Tim Duncan
BE: Robert Horry
BE:
BE:
PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Sidney Moncrief
SF:
PF: James Worthy
C: Tim Duncan
BE: Robert Horry
BE:
BE: