What has Kyrie done to warrant his hype?

[frozt]

Butler 5 All-Star
Irving 8 All-Star

Butler 0 2nd ALL-NBA team
Irving 1 2nd ALL-NBA team

Butler 4 3rd ALL-NBA team
Irving 2 3rd ALL-NBA team

ouch

Ahh yes the All Star metric. Gauging who is better than who at basketball

[MyUniBroDavis]

Butler 5 All-Star
Irving 8 All-Star

Butler 0 2nd ALL-NBA team
Irving 1 2nd ALL-NBA team

Butler 4 3rd ALL-NBA team
Irving 2 3rd ALL-NBA team

ouch

This is a joke right lol

[OhayoKD]

Butler 5 All-Star
Irving 8 All-Star

Butler 0 2nd ALL-NBA team
Irving 1 2nd ALL-NBA team

Butler 4 3rd ALL-NBA team
Irving 2 3rd ALL-NBA team

ouch

This is a joke right lol

Butler 0 Ring
Irving 1 Ring

[Pelly24]

Kyrie has actually become pretty underrated in terms of his actual effect and impact on the floor. He gets spoken of like a Zach Lavine kind of empty scorer, but he's pretty much become a solid defender and his playmaking is generally solid, and he's a lock to average about 25/5/5 on +3 - +5 TS% efficiency with low turnovers and be a net positive regardless of who's on the floor with him on whatever team. Those kinds of players are actually very rare. His volume of rim attempts are down since 2020-2021, but not majorly (and part of that I think was Nets poor spacing/conditioning/playing off Ben Simmons), but according to bballref, he's finishing 73% of his shots he takes at the rim, which is a career best. Midrange is at 53%, which is Dirk Nowitzki-esque. He looks as quick and strong as ever.

In my eyes, every year he's been healthy since 2017-2018, he's arguably been a top 15 player. BUT, his corrosive lack of self-awareness, his untimely injuries and his all-around idiocy have worked to doom him, and he's missed out on what could've been another 5-7k points, 1k assists and likely 2 or 3 All-NBA teams, and even another championship. Some of it is just bad luck, but a lot of it is him being a big fat dummy. If I were a team, I'd have to be desperate to take a chance on him.

[sp6r=underrated]

Kyrie has actually become pretty underrated in terms of his actual effect and impact on the floor. He gets spoken of like a Zach Lavine kind of empty scorer, but he's pretty much become a solid defender and his playmaking is generally solid, and he's a lock to average about 25/5/5 on +3 - +5 TS% efficiency with low turnovers and be a net positive regardless of who's on the floor with him on whatever team. Those kinds of players are actually very rare. His volume of rim attempts are down since 2020-2021, but not majorly (and part of that I think was Nets poor spacing/conditioning/playing off Ben Simmons), but according to bballref, he's finishing 73% of his shots he takes at the rim, which is a career best. Midrange is at 53%, which is Dirk Nowitzki-esque. He looks as quick and strong as ever.

In my eyes, every year he's been healthy since 2017-2018, he's arguably been a top 15 player. BUT, his corrosive lack of self-awareness, his untimely injuries and his all-around idiocy have worked to doom him, and he's missed out on what could've been another 5-7k points, 1k assists and likely 2 or 3 All-NBA teams, and even another championship. Some of it is just bad luck, but a lot of it is him being a big fat dummy. If I were a team, I'd have to be desperate to take a chance on him.

This is a very fair assessment of Kyrie. I detest the NFL system but he's a player that would be a lot better on an incentive based contract.

The talent is real. And while he's not as good as his highlight real he isn't just an empty calorie player.

[Cavsfansince84]

This is a very fair assessment of Kyrie. I detest the NFL system but he's a player that would be a lot better on an incentive based contract.

The talent is real. And while he's not as good as his highlight real he isn't just an empty calorie player.

My take on Kyrie going back to the start of his career is that the whole 8 month grind of an nba season+ playoffs is just too much for him mentally and physically. Physically he does have a tendency to break down and mentally I think he just gets bored with being an nba player and is more interested in other things. So he sort of sabotages himself because he doesn't want his life to revolve around bb the way most top 20 players are into it. We all know how good he can be in a 10 or 20 game sample(in that way he isn't overrated) but he isn't a guy you want to anchor a team over 8 months. He's more like a luxury item for a team that just needs him to score and play his role for 40 games + the playoffs so in that regard I can say he's overrated because most top 20 players are franchise type players. Kyrie is a guy who's only played in 70+ rs games 3 times in 12 years.

[TinmanZBoy]

Arguably the most skilled guard in history… players admire his talent, but he is not effective on winnings

[sp6r=underrated]

This is a very fair assessment of Kyrie. I detest the NFL system but he's a player that would be a lot better on an incentive based contract.

The talent is real. And while he's not as good as his highlight real he isn't just an empty calorie player.

My take on Kyrie going back to the start of his career is that the whole 8 month grind of an nba season+ playoffs is just too much for him mentally and physically. Physically he does have a tendency to break down and mentally I think he just gets bored with being an nba player and is more interested in other things. So he sort of sabotages himself because he doesn't want his life to revolve around bb the way most top 20 players are into it. We all know how good he can be in a 10 or 20 game sample(in that way he isn't overrated) but he isn't a guy you want to anchor a team over 8 months. He's more like a luxury item for a team that just needs him to score and play his role for 40 games + the playoffs so in that regard I can say he's overrated because most top 20 players are franchise type players. Kyrie is a guy who's only played in 70+ rs games 3 times in 12 years.

There is a lot of truth to this. Especially the mentality part.

The NBA has had a meaningless RS for a long-time but it was only in the 10-15 years everyone felt comfortable acknowledging it was meaningless.Even deep into the 80s NBA teams and players couldn't afford to treat the RS as a joke because the sport's popularity wasn't sufficient. And salaries really only spiraled later than that.

A guy like Kyrie would have a hard time being a professional in any environment. But at least the environment of most of the NBA's history would have constrained him. In an environment like today, when all of his fellow co-workers treat the season as a joke, a guy like Kyrie feels free to indulge his utter lack of un-professionality rather than go through the motions like most normal people.